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The Kyle and Fish are ending and need to vent thread.
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Topic Started: Mar 10 2010, 04:04 PM (32,612 Views)
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jsg03jd
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Mar 11 2010, 10:06 PM
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was just on afterelton.com reading the "best gay week ever" thing and the editor pretty much understands the criticisms, etc...but doesn't think we should bash ABC....but then again, i am curious
mr. Frons works for the network of ABC, right? i mean, he has bosses higher up than he.
no matter what the show, do you think the verrrryyy top people in power have to be notified of these sort of things? firings, etc before it happens? i dont know how this works exactly...so i wanna make sure i know what i am talking about before i go off...haha ;-) I do not know the exact cap structure of ABC. I do know that Brian Frons heads Daytime and SoapNet.
So Michael Jensen is comparing apples and oranges here, as far as I know. Not an appropriate comparison at all.
If someone knows more info than I as to the org chart, officers of ABC/Disney, then kindly correct me.
So unless I'm mistaken, and I may very well be, AE's post is misinformed and, more importantly, seems to accept ABC Daytime's crumbs thrown at us as well as this continuing marginalization of LGBTQ's on television:
I will say this about the ABC bashing going on: while I think it's perfectly appropriate to campaign to keep these characters and criticize the specific decision, I'd like to remind everyone that ABC Daytime actually did this storyline and totally went there with Kish. No network primetime show I can think of has ever made it as explicitly clear that two men had just had sex — romantic sex to boot! — as did OLTL.
As for ABC in general, not only did they give us Kevin and Scotty on Brothers & Sisters and Marc on Ugly Betty, but now we have Mitchell and Cameron on Modern Family. In addition, one of the network's more promising fall pilots is It Takes a Village which not only has Cheyenne Jackson, but has a gay lead character played by the out Christopher Sieber. That's right —two prominent gay roles played by gay men.
Perspective is important here. Let's not forget the fact that CBS has no gay characters, Fox only has Kurt on Glee, and NBC has two very secondary characters on shows about to be canceled anyway (Mercy and Trauma). Like, I said, it's perfectly fine to voice our concerns, but I don't think we do our cause any good when we throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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Mar 11 2010, 10:08 PM
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I get what Michael Jensen is saying.
I suggest we do not blame, but fight. Voice our opinion and our wishes and show them that the story had an impact on the "mainstream", if we are a lot of people and if we are loud we are the "mainstream". So let's just keep on writing and mailing and phoning and commenting.
I say it is only over when it's over.
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Mar 11 2010, 10:09 PM
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- Mar 11 2010, 09:09 PM
But apparently it's perfectly okay for the rest of us to watch straight people's/couple's plights that WE can't identify with? o_O Good to know.
I'm a bi female & I relate to Kish on so many different levels - I've struggled with facets of my personality/my sexuality that I didn't want to admit; I've had issues with my family where I've had to go against what they believed in order to be true to myself; I've let my fears get in the way of love (although Kish had a way better outcome than my personal experiences, but I digress), etc. I seriously don't get how this "mainstream" couldn't find something relatable/identifiable with Fish/Kyle/Kish. Closed minds just think closed. :yes: What are they so afraid of?? tornadoes?? bats??? :dunno:
:woo: :woo: to the Bi Females!!!! :hearts: The KISH relation can be and can feel double hard on diff levels. Especially in the past 48 hrs. :sigh: :sigh:
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Mar 11 2010, 10:09 PM
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- lasvegastony
- Mar 11 2010, 09:32 PM
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- Mar 11 2010, 09:28 PM
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- Mar 11 2010, 09:21 PM
Ugh. I love the look on Brett's face in that photo they used, though. It's like he's thinking "WTF is this crap?"
dkp: Setting aside the rhetorical spin factor (even my Freshman Composition students could call bullshit on this with the first read), do you think this "statement" was prompted by a bigger backlash than ABC expected? Yes. And they need to get more calls from reporters trying to get different on the record responses to why the story changed from the TV guide story, to the statement.
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jsg03jd
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Mar 11 2010, 10:09 PM
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- Mar 11 2010, 09:59 PM
What? What is Michael Jensen smoking now that he's saying ABC shouldn't be bashed???
IMHO, ABC, via Fronsie and his minions, made their own bed when they killed Kyle and Oliver and, now that I think about it, Sierra Rose, too. Maybe if they had been more careful about how they worded the first report to break in the media -- the one that flat out told us Kyle, Oliver, and Sierra Rose were being written out because their gay story didn't resonate with mainstream viewers -- they wouldn't be so deserving of the bashing they are getting now. I don't feel sorry for ABC in the least. It's too late for them to cry foul. They fucked up and now they're gonna pay the price for it. :fight: :fight: :fight: :fight: :fight: :fight: Here's the thing though: Michael Logan was the one who stated that he got "word" that KISH "failed to resonate with the mainstream audience." IIRC, TVGuide just had that short quote from Frank Valentini and nothing more.
Everything else that was published in that online article was Logan's thoughts/theory on why KISH was killed.
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Mar 11 2010, 10:09 PM
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ABC Daytime & Primetime are two seperate Divisons run by different people
Brothers & sisters should not be brought up its void
Frons didnt want them and killed them
SoapnET can sit & Spin all they want but thats the truth
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Mar 11 2010, 10:10 PM
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they threw the whole house and the family dog out with the bathwater in this case!
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Mar 11 2010, 10:11 PM
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So now is probably a good time to point y'all to the Postcard "Don't Put Kish in the Closet" Campaign that kishislove and I are trying to organize:
http://s1.zetaboards.com/Kishmet/topic/3040416/1/
We're still working out the kinks, but the plan is to bombard Frons, Anne, Frank, Ron, and the soap mags with postcards, letters, whatever. We're trying to get the first batch mailed out to Frons on Monday. If anyone has any comments, critiques, tips, anything, please let us know, we really want this to work!
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Mar 11 2010, 10:11 PM
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- Mar 11 2010, 09:57 PM
was just on afterelton.com reading the "best gay week ever" thing and the editor pretty much understands the criticisms, etc...but doesn't think we should bash ABC....but then again, i am curious
mr. Frons works for the network of ABC, right? i mean, he has bosses higher up than he.
no matter what the show, do you think the verrrryyy top people in power have to be notified of these sort of things? firings, etc before it happens? i dont know how this works exactly...so i wanna make sure i know what i am talking about before i go off...haha ;-)
I do not know the exact cap structure of ABC. I do know that Brian Frons heads Daytime and SoapNet. So Michael Jensen is comparing apples and oranges here, as far as I know. Not an appropriate comparison at all. If someone knows more info than I as to the org chart, officers of ABC/Disney, then kindly correct me. So unless I'm mistaken, and I may very well be, AE's post is misinformed and, more importantly, seems to accept ABC Daytime's crumbs thrown at us as well as this continuing marginalization of LGBTQ's on television: I will say this about the ABC bashing going on: while I think it's perfectly appropriate to campaign to keep these characters and criticize the specific decision, I'd like to remind everyone that ABC Daytime actually did this storyline and totally went there with Kish. No network primetime show I can think of has ever made it as explicitly clear that two men had just had sex — romantic sex to boot! — as did OLTL.
As for ABC in general, not only did they give us Kevin and Scotty on Brothers & Sisters and Marc on Ugly Betty, but now we have Mitchell and Cameron on Modern Family. In addition, one of the network's more promising fall pilots is It Takes a Village which not only has Cheyenne Jackson, but has a gay lead character played by the out Christopher Sieber. That's right —two prominent gay roles played by gay men.
Perspective is important here. Let's not forget the fact that CBS has no gay characters, Fox only has Kurt on Glee, and NBC has two very secondary characters on shows about to be canceled anyway (Mercy and Trauma). Like, I said, it's perfectly fine to voice our concerns, but I don't think we do our cause any good when we throw the baby out with the bathwater. We're NOT the ones throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It's ABCD and OLTL that have thrown Sierra Rose and her future two daddies out, with their decision.
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Like, I said, it's perfectly fine to voice our concerns, but I don't think we do our cause any good when we throw the baby out with the bathwater.[/i]
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Mar 11 2010, 10:12 PM
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was just on afterelton.com reading the "best gay week ever" thing and the editor pretty much understands the criticisms, etc...but doesn't think we should bash ABC....but then again, i am curious
mr. Frons works for the network of ABC, right? i mean, he has bosses higher up than he.
no matter what the show, do you think the verrrryyy top people in power have to be notified of these sort of things? firings, etc before it happens? i dont know how this works exactly...so i wanna make sure i know what i am talking about before i go off...haha ;-)
I do not know the exact cap structure of ABC. I do know that Brian Frons heads Daytime and SoapNet. So Michael Jensen is comparing apples and oranges here, as far as I know. Not an appropriate comparison at all. If someone knows more info than I as to the org chart, officers of ABC/Disney, then kindly correct me. So unless I'm mistaken, and I may very well be, AE's post is misinformed and, more importantly, seems to accept ABC Daytime's crumbs thrown at us as well as this continuing marginalization of LGBTQ's on television: I will say this about the ABC bashing going on: while I think it's perfectly appropriate to campaign to keep these characters and criticize the specific decision, I'd like to remind everyone that ABC Daytime actually did this storyline and totally went there with Kish. No network primetime show I can think of has ever made it as explicitly clear that two men had just had sex — romantic sex to boot! — as did OLTL.
As for ABC in general, not only did they give us Kevin and Scotty on Brothers & Sisters and Marc on Ugly Betty, but now we have Mitchell and Cameron on Modern Family. In addition, one of the network's more promising fall pilots is It Takes a Village which not only has Cheyenne Jackson, but has a gay lead character played by the out Christopher Sieber. That's right —two prominent gay roles played by gay men.
Perspective is important here. Let's not forget the fact that CBS has no gay characters, Fox only has Kurt on Glee, and NBC has two very secondary characters on shows about to be canceled anyway (Mercy and Trauma). Like, I said, it's perfectly fine to voice our concerns, but I don't think we do our cause any good when we throw the baby out with the bathwater. Thanks for posting the quote from AE, j. Is this Jensen dude gay himself? If so, I'm going to be even more pissed off. He sounds no better than Frank Valentini. The LAST thing we need right now is another goddamn gay apologist for ABC. What ABC has done in killing Kyle and Oliver is just plain wrong, no matter how you spin it. I, for one, am not going to congratulate them for their hypocrisy given how they've kicked the entire worldwide GLBQT community in the collective teeth.
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