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| B-29 Bomber | Dec 16 2013, 08:51 AM Post #11 |
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She is not amused at Fegelein. FEGELEIN!! FEGELEIN!! FEGELEIN!!!
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Okay, let's look at a world where guns are banned: Law-abiding citizen: Guns are banned? Cool, I won't have gun. I can live with that! Scumbag criminal: Guns are banned? Fine, guess I'll go steal one... AGAIN! God, this is annoying! Well, at least no one else will be armed... makes my life easier... |
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| UnitRico | Dec 16 2013, 10:00 AM Post #12 |
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HAIL THE HORSE MASK
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So, a look at just about all the Western world, where the pettiest of criminals aren't being shot in the face every five seconds or so. Don't get me wrong, fully banning guns simply won't work, especially not in the US (the problem obviously lies elsewhere, looking at countries like Finland, Norway and Switzerland, where nearly everyone owns a gun and gun crime, as far as I know, is almost non-existent), but you have to agree that the current lenience of US gun control causes more problems than it solves (even though I, and everyone with three brain cells will agree that a stricter control won't fully eradicate the problem, so don't even start on that). |
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| Square | Dec 16 2013, 11:33 AM Post #13 |
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Yes, I agree with Rico. In Western and Central europe, either because of regulation or the fact its not in their culture to do so, Gun Crime is uncommon. You don't hear of Swedish Schools having school shootings every other year, or switzerland or spain, or anywhere in europe. If the population can't be counted to control themselves, laws should be put in to further discourage them. (And yes, european countries have armed gaurds (with security checks), that's not the problem, its the Mass Population being able to get guns and shoot them, Why should someojne in the middle of suburbia need an SMG? |
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| B-29 Bomber | Dec 16 2013, 03:27 PM Post #14 |
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She is not amused at Fegelein. FEGELEIN!! FEGELEIN!! FEGELEIN!!!
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You can not compare the US to a European country, and you touched on the reason why. Much the same reason why UHC might work in Canada but not in the US: The demographics(and history) are completely different. Despite what some may want, the US is NOT a European country. Why can't I own a SMG? I want my Tommy Gun!!!! |
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| UnitRico | Dec 16 2013, 03:56 PM Post #15 |
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HAIL THE HORSE MASK
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Are you actually allowed to fire one at a shooting range, though? Here, there are a lot of restrictions on what you can fire even there, and it takes months to be allowed to fire even small calibre guns (some friends of mine have been shooting for a while now, and only now are they allowed to fire these guns). |
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| Square | Dec 16 2013, 06:16 PM Post #16 |
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@Bomber? The history? Europe has had way more battles on its time than the US has had in its history, we've had unificatory wars, independence wars, civil wars, world wars, ancient wars, tribal wars, ethnic wars. Universal health care is also a necessity, and all those dumb right winged republicans can shove it up their asses. Even our Conservative party or UKIP which are very right wing see no fault with the NHS and have the conservatives have actually increased its finding. @rico I think the Netherlands laws are similar to the UKs. I'm not very read up on shooting ranges, but I know the guns are fairly low power and unless it was right in the head or the heart the person would only be injured. Military guns are a different matter. Oh and I meant semi-automatic, not smg, those things are murderous! :/ |
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| B-29 Bomber | Dec 18 2013, 09:30 AM Post #17 |
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She is not amused at Fegelein. FEGELEIN!! FEGELEIN!! FEGELEIN!!!
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Precisely. Europe has, through centuries for warfare and violence, grown wary of violence. The US does not have this, therefore the US is more violent than Europe. Also there is absolutely no call to make such uncouth remarks about those you happen to disagree with. Just because someone disagrees with you on what's "necessary" does not make them "dumb". You undermine your own argument. Again why bring up examples from other countries? My counter to such an argument has already been made: What might work in one country might not necessarily work in another. It's the same as trying to install a republican government in a country without the prequiste republican traditions. It doesn't work. Also, SMGs use pistol rounds. I can't look it up right now for I am using a government internet connection and is thus watched(don't want them thinking I'm gonna shoot up the place, eh ; WHICH I MOST DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT TO DO!!!!!).
Edited by B-29 Bomber, Dec 18 2013, 09:34 AM.
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| Square | Dec 18 2013, 01:36 PM Post #18 |
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I'm sorry, I just care too much about certain issues, which are simple necessities in the modern world, which some people would jump to deny others of their own country having! (Did you know Cuba has a higher Life expectancy than the US Average?) And I wasn't aiming it at all republicans, just those whose heads are way up in the clouds. "Precisely. Europe has, through centuries for warfare and violence, grown wary of violence. The US does not have this, therefore the US is more violent than Europe" Except Canada or Australia or Brazil or Mexico hasnt? The United States has seen more war than most of the "New World", because it is so historically imperialistic! I consider than anything that dosent require one to reload (Or worse allowing you to just hold the trigger) murderous. SMG means Sub-Machine Gun, just cause it fires pistol bullets dosent make it not-dangerous. Were pretty much opposite ends of the political spectrum B29, Im a socialist, your a conservative, were bound to clash. |
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| B-29 Bomber | Dec 19 2013, 10:29 AM Post #19 |
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She is not amused at Fegelein. FEGELEIN!! FEGELEIN!! FEGELEIN!!!
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Canada and Australia have, for must of their history(post US Independence since we're comparing them to the US) been pretty much tied to Britain's Imperialistic hip, so they are easily explained. Brazil and Mexico are less easily explainable, but I'll try my best . Honestly I don't know much about Brazilian History, but I'm sure if they had the same strength as the US they'd have made imperialistic moves as well(most likely in W. Africa, since it's close) as they're human(humans are assholes, don'tcha know!). Mexico... Mexico... Well, had they won the Texan War for Independence(thus butterflying the Mexican-American War), they had Santa Ana, who had the ambitions(if not the Generalship) to be the New World's Napoleon... Had he been a more competent General(and civilian leader of Mexico) and not squander the Mexican treasury on fancy new uniforms for his army, he could have been the start of some Mexican Imperialistic adventures.Of course I was never comparing the US to the New World. I was comparing it to the Old World and they have a very long history of war, genocide, and general death and destruction. So though the US has done some pretty stupid shit in its history(never said we didn't), the Old World has been far, far worse.
That still doesn't justify using uncouth remarks against your political opponents. I would never do so to mine, I see them as a viable adversary to be taken seriously. I also correct my side as much as the other side for uncouth behavior(the number of times I've had to do this to my father... ).
That first part makes no sense. You want the civilian populace only armed with Muskets ? All modern firearms don't need to be reloaded after one shot, from the .22 bolt-action rifle I have back home to an SMG have this feature called a magazine/clip that holds the bullets. All guns, including SMGs, require you to reload. Besides I'd prefer a rifle to a SMG. SMGs are ammo hogs and are wildly inaccurate at full auto. Using full auto is stupid and a waste of perfectly good ammo. For using pistol rounds, I'd prefer a pistol over a SMG. I'd just want a Thompson SMG purely for historical value(plus it'd be wicked sweet to shoot at the range ).
Actually, I'm more Libertarian than Conservative. Edit: Appreciate this post damn it! It survived a BSOD and a server timeout! BOW BEFORE THIS POST FOR IT IS GOD! Edited by B-29 Bomber, Dec 19 2013, 10:31 AM.
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| Nwahs | Dec 19 2013, 11:44 AM Post #20 |
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Bernanke is my Bae
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Funny how I once called you libertarian like 2 years ago and you said you were a conservative or something like that. |
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; WHICH I MOST DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT TO DO!!!!!).
Canada and Australia have, for must of their history(post US Independence since we're comparing them to the US) been pretty much tied to Britain's Imperialistic hip, so they are easily explained. Brazil and Mexico are less easily explainable, but I'll try my best
. Honestly I don't know much about Brazilian History, but I'm sure if they had the same strength as the US they'd have made imperialistic moves as well(most likely in W. Africa, since it's close) as they're human(humans are assholes, don'tcha know!). Mexico... Mexico... Well, had they won the Texan War for Independence(thus butterflying the Mexican-American War), they had Santa Ana, who had the ambitions(if not the Generalship) to be the New World's Napoleon... Had he been a more competent General(and civilian leader of Mexico) and not squander the Mexican treasury on fancy new uniforms for his army, he could have been the start of some Mexican Imperialistic adventures.
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? All modern firearms don't need to be reloaded after one shot, from the .22 bolt-action rifle I have back home to an SMG have this feature called a magazine/clip that holds the bullets. All guns, including SMGs, require you to reload. Besides I'd prefer a rifle to a SMG. SMGs are ammo hogs and are wildly inaccurate at full auto. Using full auto is stupid and a waste of perfectly good ammo. For using pistol rounds, I'd prefer a pistol over a SMG. I'd just want a Thompson SMG purely for historical value(plus it'd be wicked sweet to shoot at the range
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