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Topic Started: May 21 2012, 01:31 PM (2,496 Views)
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diggerjohn111
May 29 2012, 12:08 AM
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May 28 2012, 06:32 PM
diggerjohn111
May 28 2012, 02:34 PM
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May 26 2012, 12:07 PM
GreenActor
May 26 2012, 11:13 AM
Rico, I dare you see what happens when you start a communism vs capitalism debate as a thread's starting point.
The world would explode. Also this isn't about Communism V. Capitalism. It's really about Mercantilism and how its inherently wrong. Most people think Mercantilism=Capitalism which is wrong.
Mercantilism isn't "wrong", exploitative Mercantilism is immoral. There is nothing wrong with making a living off of one's own personal labour. The exchange of goods and services doesn't have to be done to the detriment of anyone involved.
"exploitative Mercantilism"

That is perhaps the single most redundant thing I've ever heard. Mercantilism is the exploitation of nations and their people for the betterment of your own nation. "Exploitative Mercantilism" is really Capitalism.
How is the honest dirt farmer who happens to sell his goods to feed his family exploiting anyone? Yet he's still a merchant. Capitalism isn't the evil you make it out to be, J.P. Morgan didn't run GULAGS.
That was a typo. There was supposed to be a "non-" before that last Exploitative.
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Communism, It works in theory, but as said before the capitalist system also exists. Mercantilism is the controlling of trade by the government to suit their countries benefit, its what caused the tea Party in Boston. Capitalism is basically free trade, except its usually escourted by a modern mercantilism, and this time its run by corporations who value their money and existance, as apposed to mercantilism, which generally wish for better living conditions for their citizens. (While screwing everyone else) trade tarriffs in place against LEDCs because of their debt screw the economy, while cheap imports from MEDCs swamp the market (takes the influx of Industrially farmed Crops and Meat into Mexico following the signing of NAFTA as an example) Even in their own countries, they exploit their own labour, instead of valueing their employees and giving them payraises when times are good, they just give the executives payrises, and use it to make their business bigger, and more streamlined, (buying in more bulk, automating and expanding rapidly at others expense, take the Supermarkets in the UK as another example, until recently the Big Four held a monopoly on the market (Sainsburys, 16% TESCO 34%, ASDA Walmart 21%, Morrison's 14%) This standardization isn't good for the consumer, who seeks variety, and isn't good for the employees, who face the minimum wage.
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Squaretable22
Jan 2 2014, 07:27 PM
Communism, It works in theory
No, it doesn't. Well, unless you take the existence of humanity out of the equation, I guess.
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I like Communism as an idea on paper, but I realize that it is impractical.
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UnitRico
Jan 3 2014, 05:34 AM
Squaretable22
Jan 2 2014, 07:27 PM
Communism, It works in theory
No, it doesn't. Well, unless you take the existence of humanity out of the equation, I guess.
Welp, that's a huge gap.

Gotta derp around and talk stuff about human nature, I guess. :3
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UnitRico
Jan 3 2014, 05:34 AM
Squaretable22
Jan 2 2014, 07:27 PM
Communism, It works in theory
No, it doesn't. Well, unless you take the existence of humanity out of the equation, I guess.
Well, im sure Marx, Engels and Lenin didnt forsee Humanity getting in the way.

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She is not amused at Fegelein. FEGELEIN!! FEGELEIN!! FEGELEIN!!!
Squaretable22
Jan 3 2014, 01:27 PM
UnitRico
Jan 3 2014, 05:34 AM
Squaretable22
Jan 2 2014, 07:27 PM
Communism, It works in theory
No, it doesn't. Well, unless you take the existence of humanity out of the equation, I guess.
Well, im sure Marx, Engels and Lenin didnt forsee Humanity getting in the way.

Humanity.

Yeah, we have that annoying habit... existing.


Anyway, I have to disagree that modern mercantilism is in anyway functionally different from ye olde mercantilism. It's still the state manipulating the economy of the country for its own benefit(not necessarily that of the country at large). Just equate modern corporations with that of it's grandfather: the Joint-stock company. They didn't necessarily have anything to do with colonialism, by the way. They'd existed for centuries before the Age of Colonization.
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Really the US, the EU and China all practise modern mercantilism. The US can place tarriffs on stuff as they wish, generally to sway the vote their way (as in the 1998 US election and Iron) whereas the EU does it for health concerns (Hormone treated beef)
Sweetfruit seeds is banned from export from China the same as the rubber barons banned the export of rubber from south America.

And Joint Stock companies made their rise with colonialism, the East India company is an early well know example of one, partially owned by the British state.
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She is not amused at Fegelein. FEGELEIN!! FEGELEIN!! FEGELEIN!!!
Squaretable22
Jan 3 2014, 04:54 PM
Really the US, the EU and China all practise modern mercantilism. The US can place tarriffs on stuff as they wish, generally to sway the vote their way (as in the 1998 US election and Iron) whereas the EU does it for health concerns (Hormone treated beef)
Sweetfruit seeds is banned from export from China the same as the rubber barons banned the export of rubber from south America.

And Joint Stock companies made their rise with colonialism, the East India company is an early well know example of one, partially owned by the British state.
Firstly I'm glad you understand the situation somewhat.


Secondly, Joint-Stock Companies have been around since the 13th and 14th centuries, it's just that pop-history doesn't note them until the Age of Colonization.
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I wasn't denying their existence prior, its just they weren't much of a thing until the early colonial age
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