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Topic Started: May 21 2012, 01:31 PM (2,497 Views)
GreenActor
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Rico, I dare you see what happens when you start a communism vs capitalism debate as a thread's starting point.
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May 26 2012, 11:13 AM
Rico, I dare you see what happens when you start a communism vs capitalism debate as a thread's starting point.
The world would explode. Also this isn't about Communism V. Capitalism. It's really about Mercantilism and how its inherently wrong. Most people think Mercantilism=Capitalism which is wrong.
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May 23 2012, 02:40 PM
"Communism isn't a bad idea. Nor is capitalism, or the use of fossil fuels. If anything is flawed, it's humanity." UnitRico hit the nail on the head.
You could use that excuse for anything. You can't compare Capitalism to Communism because Capitalism has proven to be successful in many cases, while Communism has never been successful in modern civilization. If something does not allow for humanity's so called imperfections then it's that something's fault, not humanity. Communism does not allow for these so called imperfections so it is inherently a bad idea and should be thrown out, only remembered as the bad idea it truly is. Modern Communism was born out of jealousy of those who were successful from those who were failures.
The point I was making before was that they never really achieved Communism. You had the Terror of Stalin and Pol Pot, the controlling cults of personality like with Ceausescu, Mao and Tito and the malaise of eastern Europe after the War. To see Communism actually achieved you have to look ironically at religious collectives like the monasteries of the Coptic Christians and the Kibbutzes of modern Israel. Marx and Engles borrowed heavily from Plato and the examples of early Christian Monasticism, their successes lead to one of the worst interpretations of history and writing humanly possible, with the exception of Nazism with Darwinism mixed with Germanic Occultism.
Edited by diggerjohn111, May 27 2012, 02:59 AM.
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Again, I know very little of history and politics. But what I read of communism it sounds like a wonderful idea. So I therefore began to wonder why it had failed. My final thought was power. Communism is wonderful for a place with no weapons, no money and just...living. This is actually the basis for many fantasy novels like Lord of the Rings. The one problem with communism is that we don't live in a fantasy world, where weapons are non-exsistant. We live in a world where weapons exist and insane people that want to control others.
All in all, communism is for a perfect world that doesnt exist yet, i sure hope we get there eventually though.
Communism essentially takes away money and enevitably takes away ways to defend yourself fully and then the "crazy masochist" can step in and start commanding you to do things.
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May 27 2012, 06:15 PM
Again, I know very little of history and politics. But what I read of communism it sounds like a wonderful idea.
i disagree with this man. because if people is commies, they all gonna be potheads and they aint gonna want to wars and there needs to be something for people to fight about. imperialism is a way better idea then communism.
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I think we'll see a world where technology will take away the need for material gain before we'll see a dogmatic political system supplant social-capitalism. Or we'll just destroy ourselves, and the squid will become the next dominant species.
Edited by diggerjohn111, May 27 2012, 07:37 PM.
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May 27 2012, 07:01 PM
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May 27 2012, 06:15 PM
Again, I know very little of history and politics. But what I read of communism it sounds like a wonderful idea.
i disagree with this man. because if people is commies, they all gonna be potheads and they aint gonna want to wars and there needs to be something for people to fight about. imperialism is a way better idea then communism.
You amuse me.
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May 26 2012, 12:07 PM
GreenActor
May 26 2012, 11:13 AM
Rico, I dare you see what happens when you start a communism vs capitalism debate as a thread's starting point.
The world would explode. Also this isn't about Communism V. Capitalism. It's really about Mercantilism and how its inherently wrong. Most people think Mercantilism=Capitalism which is wrong.
Mercantilism isn't "wrong", exploitative Mercantilism is immoral. There is nothing wrong with making a living off of one's own personal labour. The exchange of goods and services doesn't have to be done to the detriment of anyone involved.
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diggerjohn111
May 28 2012, 02:34 PM
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May 26 2012, 12:07 PM
GreenActor
May 26 2012, 11:13 AM
Rico, I dare you see what happens when you start a communism vs capitalism debate as a thread's starting point.
The world would explode. Also this isn't about Communism V. Capitalism. It's really about Mercantilism and how its inherently wrong. Most people think Mercantilism=Capitalism which is wrong.
Mercantilism isn't "wrong", exploitative Mercantilism is immoral. There is nothing wrong with making a living off of one's own personal labour. The exchange of goods and services doesn't have to be done to the detriment of anyone involved.
"exploitative Mercantilism"

That is perhaps the single most redundant thing I've ever heard. Mercantilism is the exploitation of nations and their people for the betterment of your own nation. "Exploitative Mercantilism" is really Capitalism.
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May 28 2012, 06:32 PM
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May 28 2012, 02:34 PM
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May 26 2012, 12:07 PM
GreenActor
May 26 2012, 11:13 AM
Rico, I dare you see what happens when you start a communism vs capitalism debate as a thread's starting point.
The world would explode. Also this isn't about Communism V. Capitalism. It's really about Mercantilism and how its inherently wrong. Most people think Mercantilism=Capitalism which is wrong.
Mercantilism isn't "wrong", exploitative Mercantilism is immoral. There is nothing wrong with making a living off of one's own personal labour. The exchange of goods and services doesn't have to be done to the detriment of anyone involved.
"exploitative Mercantilism"

That is perhaps the single most redundant thing I've ever heard. Mercantilism is the exploitation of nations and their people for the betterment of your own nation. "Exploitative Mercantilism" is really Capitalism.
How is the honest dirt farmer who happens to sell his goods to feed his family exploiting anyone? Yet he's still a merchant. Capitalism isn't the evil you make it out to be, J.P. Morgan didn't run GULAGS.
Edited by diggerjohn111, May 29 2012, 01:20 AM.
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