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Topic Started: May 21 2012, 01:31 PM (2,499 Views)
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Elso579
May 23 2012, 08:43 PM
Ah, hell the batter system is clearly best! (Sarcasm btw)
Of course! How could we make cake without the batter system?
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Oh crap! Epic typo fail I ment Barter System
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Elso579
May 23 2012, 10:33 PM
Oh crap! Epic typo fail I ment Barter System
You get the epic fail stamp of the day.


So you would prefer to carry around 24 goats for 2500 lbs of Bacon?
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May 23 2012, 03:18 PM
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May 23 2012, 02:40 PM
"Communism isn't a bad idea. Nor is capitalism, or the use of fossil fuels. If anything is flawed, it's humanity." UnitRico hit the nail on the head.
You could use that excuse for anything. You can't compare Capitalism to Communism because Capitalism has proven to be successful in many cases, while Communism has never been successful in modern civilization. If something does not allow for humanity's so called imperfections then it's that something's fault, not humanity. Communism does not allow for these so called imperfections so it is inherently a bad idea and should be thrown out, only remembered as the bad idea it truly is. Modern Communism was born out of jealousy of those who were successful from those who were failures.
So, for whom has capitalism been successful? Those millions that suffer in poor countries and are forced to work shitty and dangerous jobs for little to no wage so that they can satisfy the needs of those who happened to be born in the right place in the right time and became successful?
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May 23 2012, 09:39 PM
Elso579
May 23 2012, 08:43 PM
Ah, hell the batter system is clearly best! (Sarcasm btw)
Of course! How could we make cake without the batter system?
I'd say the batter system is still the best. It keeps the world economy going, you know.
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May 24 2012, 03:19 AM
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May 23 2012, 03:18 PM
diggerjohn111
May 23 2012, 02:40 PM
"Communism isn't a bad idea. Nor is capitalism, or the use of fossil fuels. If anything is flawed, it's humanity." UnitRico hit the nail on the head.
You could use that excuse for anything. You can't compare Capitalism to Communism because Capitalism has proven to be successful in many cases, while Communism has never been successful in modern civilization. If something does not allow for humanity's so called imperfections then it's that something's fault, not humanity. Communism does not allow for these so called imperfections so it is inherently a bad idea and should be thrown out, only remembered as the bad idea it truly is. Modern Communism was born out of jealousy of those who were successful from those who were failures.
So, for whom has capitalism been successful? Those millions that suffer in poor countries and are forced to work shitty and dangerous jobs for little to no wage so that they can satisfy the needs of those who happened to be born in the right place in the right time and became successful?
That was Mercantilism, not Capitalism. Mercantilism presupposes that wealth is fixed and therefore in order for one nation to become rich, another must become poor. It is indeed a shame that such an outmoded system still affects us today, but don't blame Capitalism. Blame stupid Europeans who fell for such a bullshit idea as Mercantilism. Capitalism presupposes that wealth is createable. Here's a good analogy that involves pie, and everyone loves pie! A good Mercantilist would assume that there was only one pie and that he must take as much of that one pie for himself. A good Capitalist would just go and make more pie and sell it to people so everyone could enjoy pie, then he would figure out a way to mass-produce pie and lower the price even more. Then said capitalist would diversify to other pastries to make even more money. The Mercantilist? He ran out of that one pie and went bankrupt. He now works for that Capitalist.
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Well, Europeans are mainly the ones to blame for the awful situation in Africa, but many US multinationals have factories in poor countries in Africa and Asia abusing the low wages that the population is forced to accept. Those companies are the key to turning the situation around, but even though customers shudder at the sight of those poor Africans, I wonder how happy they'll be when all prices increase once those people get paid decent wages.
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UnitRico
May 24 2012, 12:48 PM
Well, Europeans are mainly the ones to blame for the awful situation in Africa, but many US multinationals have factories in poor countries in Africa and Asia abusing the low wages that the population is forced to accept. Those companies are the key to turning the situation around, but even though customers shudder at the sight of those poor Africans, I wonder how happy they'll be when all prices increase once those people get paid decent wages.
I never said Capitalism was perfect, it's dependent on the morals of the individual, which far better than Communism, which is dependent on the morals of the State. In a place where you're dependent on the morals of an immoral State then everyone suffers because there's no recourse except that of armed rebellion. In a place that is dependent on the morals of individuals, if a CEO is does something immoral, like you're example, then the people can decide for themselves if it's bad enough to warrant action and if so they'll boycott that CEO's company until he changes policy or goes bankrupt.


On the topic of Africa:

The issues of Africa can only be solved by the Africans themselves. Such things as ill-conceived Foreign aid will only help keep the corrupt dictators in power.
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Yes, that seems like the paradox of communism. In order to achieve a governmentless (that's now a word, damnit) state, you need a tyrannical government.

As for Africa, right now, I wouldn't say it's just up to the Africans. I doubt they have the means to make a difference yet, and need to be pushed into the right direction. The help that's going there now indeed just goes into weapons for the warlords, which really isn't helping anyone.
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UnitRico
May 24 2012, 07:32 PM
Yes, that seems like the paradox of communism. In order to achieve a governmentless (that's now a word, damnit) state, you need a tyrannical government.

As for Africa, right now, I wouldn't say it's just up to the Africans. I doubt they have the means to make a difference yet, and need to be pushed into the right direction. The help that's going there now indeed just goes into weapons for the warlords, which really isn't helping anyone.
Well if the people there would just overthrow their inept governments it would certainly be good for a start and investment of PRIVATE capital would do for a start, but it's simply just not good business to invest in something that's unstable.
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