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Robert	Jan 24 2011, 01:29 PM Post #31
Posts: 7,393 Group: Members Member #3 Joined: Apr 3, 2010 What version of GM do you use? 6 Pro	Martho Jan 24 2011, 01:25 AM Yeah they both have pros and cons. Vista pros: it looks cool. Cons: its really slow, freezes up, goes non responsive a lot when starting up, takes forever to start up, has really paranoid security build in that is completely non-user friendly, has bad compatibilty with lots of programs(not just old ones, its a lot easier to install world of warcraft on xp than vista) and has a whole bunch of useless stuff that make it's file size way bigger and don't really do anything good. XP Pros: Great performance, great compatibility with all programs, starts up quickly(and your XP vs vista start up time doesn't count because your XP is on a much older computer, Robert.), hardly ever freezes up(has never actually frozen up on me) and has all the functions that it needs(there are a few luxury functions that would be nice, but at least it doesn't have a whole crap load of useless stuff like vista). Cons: It looks really old and horrible, is really old, and doesn't have a few of the nice luxury functions that vista has. The only reasons that people can be led to believe vista is faster than XP are that vista is newer and XP only comes on old computers that are slow so it makes people think that XP is slow and they don't even bother thinking about it on fair terms. Say you have an old driver(not computer driver, car driver) who is really good, and a new driver who isn't as good and they are in a race, the old driver is in an old car and the new driver is in a new car. Just because the new driver is doing a lot better, it doesn't mean he is better. The race is completely unfair because the better driver is in a sucky car. But that's how people who think vista is faster compare them! If you put vista and XP on the same computer XP is way faster at everything. I have had both XP and Vista on my laptop for a long time and XP just beats the frickin crap out of vista! The only thing I like better about vista is it looks cool and it has a cutting tool. Vista is for luxury, XP is for performance. If I had a whole crap load of process power and it didn't even matter how fast one OS was I might actually consider choosing vista. Now, before you just go on a flaming rampage about my post I think you should post your own pros and cons list and explain your reasons, instead of just saying "vista is newer so it must be better". Debating against you is like debating against two cows to see who gives better milk. It's just stupid. But I have nothing better to do Today, so I'll waste a few minutes here. My responses to each statement: Vista pros: - I disagree, I actually am getting a bit tired of the main look Cons, - all computers slow down eventually, yes it does quite a lot, you need more space, takes me 30 seconds, then disable it you 'bleep', I have windows 98 game on vist!!!, the only useless thing is IE Xp - pros: the interface, conts- SLOW!!!! You know, I see no point in arguing about Vista. Windows 7 is currently the main OS at my house since Christmas came. I personally thought Vista was great, but Windows 7 is like 100 billion times better than XP can dream. So this debate IS still very stupid. I hope that someday you will learn how to properly debate, but until then, I hope you do enjoy wasting your time on this thread. also, your car analogy is very stupid. you changed your mind several times while describing the new guy and his car. also you seem to think that new = slow or badly done. that is true with many things, but to me, it doesn't matter the OS, it matters the engine of the computer. Edited by Robert, Jan 24 2011, 01:31 PM.
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Martho	Jan 24 2011, 06:56 PM Post #32
Posts: 1,404 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Apr 3, 2010 Activity Level Active	Quote: Cons, - all computers slow down eventually Mine came pretty slow. Quote: you need more space XP doesn't need more space to work properly. Quote: takes me 30 seconds My XP on my laptop loads faster than that and laptops generally don't have that much process. Quote: then disable it you 'bleep' In XP you don't have to disable it. Quote: I have windows 98 game on vist!!! cool Quote: the only useless thing is IE I do remember there being lots of useless things in vista but since I haven't used it in so long(why would I since XP is so much better?) I don't really remember them. Quote: cons- SLOW!!!! Try putting XP and vista on the same computer then saying that. Quote: also, your car analogy is very stupid. you changed your mind several times while describing the new guy and his car. Really? Name something I changed my mind about. I think you just read it wrong, as you have done so many times in the past. Quote: also you seem to think that new = slow or badly done. that is true with many things, but to me, it doesn't matter the OS, it matters the engine of the computer. No. I just think that Vista was a fluke. I actually agree that windows 7 is better than both, I just am not used to the layout but if I had a computer with it Im sure I would get used to it. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/xp-vs-vista,1531-4.html try looking at some facts before you say vista is faster when you have never even used them on fair terms. Edited by Martho, Jan 24 2011, 06:58 PM.



Robert	Jan 24 2011, 10:30 PM Post #33
Posts: 7,393 Group: Members Member #3 Joined: Apr 3, 2010 What version of GM do you use? 6 Pro	To be honest, I think it's stupid debating this anyway. You completely ignored my main point, which proves you really aren't interested in a mature and clean debate. Now, if you want to argue windows 7 vs XP then I'll gladly do so
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Martho	Jan 24 2011, 11:58 PM Post #34
Posts: 1,404 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Apr 3, 2010 Activity Level Active	I actually think its you who chooses to ignore my point. according to you all debates on here are stupid then. There is no debate on this site were progress will actually be made. Since both sides are completely convinced they are right nothing will ever really happen. There is nothing wrong with how I am debating. I think you are just choosing to call me immature because I am younger and you think that you are right so that means I am instantly wrong. And about the last part of your post, if you would actually choose to read my whole post you would see that I have already said 7 is better than XP, but since I am wrong in your eyes my post is worthless so you don't even bother reading it. If I completely ignored your main point, then tell me, What is your main point? And if you think this thread is so stupid, then why do you keep replying to it?



Robert	Jan 25 2011, 12:28 AM Post #35
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Martho	Jan 25 2011, 02:39 AM Post #36
Posts: 1,404 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Apr 3, 2010 Activity Level Active	Btw I am writing a song about vista. Will post soon.



Robert	Jan 25 2011, 01:05 PM Post #37
Posts: 7,393 Group: Members Member #3 Joined: Apr 3, 2010 What version of GM do you use? 6 Pro	Newgrounds has one as well are you using sounds from vista?
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Martho	Jan 25 2011, 07:30 PM Post #38
Posts: 1,404 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Apr 3, 2010 Activity Level Active	Probably.



TMoT	Feb 1 2011, 04:08 PM Post #39
Your Bestest Nightmare Posts: 5,021 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Apr 3, 2010	Martho Let me rephrase what I said. Yes there is a lot more to it, a whole lot more garbage to it. Say you have a pickup truck full of complete crap, you have a lot more weight but for no reason and it does more harm then good. I find it funny how you still refuse to post something specific(and real) instead of just saying things like "Its way better, everything about it is better!". As things get newer they have more potential to be better, and usually they are. But then sometimes people try adding way to many things or they ad things that are useless and take away stuff that was good. Hmmm, one question, which is better: Windows 3.0 or Windows 95? Okay, I guess that's not really fair, I mean Windows 95 was made a whole five years after the other Windows 3.0... oh wait! That's the same amount of time between XP and Vista. Do you call 64-bit processor architecture support useless garbage? What am I thinking, of course you do, it's in that quote and everything. Off the top of my head I can't think of anything in it that's complete crap OR something that's completely pointless to have. Martho Then for crying out loud name something! You never say anything specific, you always just say its better without any real proof or evidence other then it being newer. GUI UI Amazing Internals Upgraded BITS New Binary Support 64-Bit Processor Architecture Support Superfetching ReadyDrive Automatic Defrag ReadyBoost Etc. Martho I have even done speed tests and XP has been faster in all of them. Theoretically XP should be faster than Vista. I mean Vista does so many amazing things in the background, just google the four next to last things in my list above. But my point is that despite the actual speed difference, if you have an even remotely modern computer that it doesn't make enough of a difference to really matter. I'm about to order your Vista cons in a list for easy response. Quote: 1. its really slow 2. freezes up 3. goes non responsive a lot when starting up, takes forever to start up 4. has really paranoid security build in that is completely non-user friendly 5. has bad compatibilty with lots of programs(not just old ones, its a lot easier to install world of warcraft on xp than vista) 6. has a whole bunch of useless stuff that make it's file size way bigger and don't really do anything good. 1. Go to quote three 2. Something's wrong, could be something you installed, could be a virus, maybe even your antivirus/antimalware (yes those are completely different things) 3. Go to 2 4. I'm going to assume you mean that thing that my friends had in their Internet Exploder, if that's the case just turn it off, if that's not the case then I don't have a clue what you're talking about. Neither option helps your argument. 5. I've never had a compatibility issue other than wmplayer's retarded hatred for .asf files, however there's a simple workaround. Just rename it as a .asx file anw viola: there goes my ONE compatibility issue 6. Go to quote one Martho The only reasons that people can be led to believe vista is faster than XP are that vista is newer and XP only comes on old computers that are slow so it makes people think that XP is slow and they don't even bother thinking about it on fair terms. Say you have an old driver(not computer driver, car driver) who is really good, and a new driver who isn't as good and they are in a race, the old driver is in an old car and the new driver is in a new car. Just because the new driver is doing a lot better, it doesn't mean he is better. The race is completely unfair because the better driver is in a sucky car. But that's how people who think vista is faster compare them! If you put vista and XP on the same computer XP is way faster at everything. I have had both XP and Vista on my laptop for a long time and XP just beats the frickin crap out of vista! The only thing I like better about vista is it looks cool and it has a cutting tool. Vista is for luxury, XP is for performance. If I had a whole crap load of process power and it didn't even matter how fast one OS was I might actually consider choosing vista. Now, before you just go on a flaming rampage about my post I think you should post your own pros and cons list and explain your reasons, instead of just saying "vista is newer so it must be better". I'm getting a sudden DarthMaurus like urge... lol I love this one Martho Mine [computer] came pretty slow. Just a quick question: What are it's specs? WebMasterTeen takes me 30 seconds Martho's right on this one, 30 seconds is way to long for a computer to boot. I bet you had something wrong with yours. Martho In XP you don't have to disable it. That's because it doesn't have any security you "bleep." Martho Try putting XP and vista on the same computer then saying that. Go to quote three. Martho http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/xp-vs-vista,1531-4.html try looking at some facts before you say vista is faster when you have never even used them on fair terms. Nice job with the hypocrisy, besides reviews aren't facts... and I've never heard of tomshardware, try bestbuy next time. Okay I'm done downing your side of the argument here's a few more for mine: BITS was released with XP at version 1.0, it can't handle anything newer than 2.5, version 3.0 came with Vista and the current release came with Windows 7 at version 4.0. Vista can use that one. A.K.A. Vista can use the version that came out with it's replacement operating system, where as when xp was replaced it lost support for the new version that came with it's replacement. Can you guess why? The newest binaries don't even work with XP. Just try to testdrive IE9 it, then get back to me. Any real issues that people could have had have been eliminated thanks to years of updates. This applies to all Windows system's starting once XP came out. But it also shows that any issues you had with Vista could be completely gone if you wiped out XP with Vista and installed all the updates/service-packs (before you do anything else.) If I were you, I would try it. You could just get another laptop harddrive, put vista on it and switch between the two. Summary: Windows 7 is to Vista as Vista is to XP. Oh, and I just checked your little poll, it looks like they're tied. EDIT: I just realized that I'm not really debating about which is better, but about which is more advanced. Vista. Edited by TMoT, Feb 1 2011, 07:54 PM.
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Martho	Feb 1 2011, 08:51 PM Post #40
Posts: 1,404 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Apr 3, 2010 Activity Level Active	TMoT Feb 1 2011, 04:08 PM EDIT: I just realized that I'm not really debating about which is better, but about which is more advanced. Vista. I actually agree with you there. Vista is more advanced, but for my purposes XP is better.



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