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- the failures of government- part one
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 2 2010, 12:44 AM (349 Views) | |
| Deleted User | Dec 2 2010, 12:44 AM Post #1 |
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ok. i have a series of images to demonstrate a point. america is in economic trouble. fact. which box, box A or B, do you think contains what we need to fix any problem at all? A B if you didn't say B, then gtfo because you have a lot of manliness to learn. now, that was just the humorous hook to an actual political argument. i am a very politically plugged-in person. i have been hearing lots of talk about creating jobs, fixing the debt and lowering taxes simultaneously by pretty much everybody. frankly, im disappointed in my own party. democrats usually at least take the "trust us, we're smarter then you" attitude, and republicans usually take the "make it all go away i dont care how" attitude. neither one is very productive but you can at least find a middle ground between them. yet both parties are now taking the latter. simple facts... you cannot lower taxes and have the government improve the economy and create jobs at the same time. taxes are what funds said endeavors. everybody seems to be promising to make it all better. without any work on the part of voters. just keep voting for my party. the fact is, an economy is like a massive weight. it's above the entire american people, pretty much the entire world. what politicians are promising is to essentially remove all pressure of the load on everybody. fact is, the american people need to stop being a spoiled bunch of brats. if you want something to get fixed you damn well better be expected to work for it. why is is that the american people think that any politician can just wave a magic wand and make it all go away? man up. pull your own weight. "ask not what your country can do for you. ask what you can do for your country". success make us want more and more and MOAR. like we are blobs. just trying to have it all. ironically, a big part of it is our equal opportunity- the idea that everyone becomes equal.(teaser for part 2) |
 
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| Mars | Dec 2 2010, 02:59 AM Post #2 |
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All I got from this was 4chan is what's causing all the problems in the world... Hmm... Other then that... I'm not entirely sure how to even reply to this topic... I need a lead in... |
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| DT-170x | Dec 2 2010, 03:35 AM Post #3 |
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Actually Eastern Europe is more spoiled then us.(They work around 30hr per week and their retirement age is lowered) France is rioting (and Probably still) due to they increase the retirement age from 60 to 62.  (bit old but little change)http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/21/AR2010102103924.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/country_profiles/999717.stm Socialism give people more entitlements. Like If you give a person Free-money and after a while they get depended and wanted more. (and if you want to take those entitlements away. Riots ensure) Remember Socialism take care of it people by giving more entitlements. If so The people will get sucked into government programs and it might kill self sufficiency. You need a balance of entitlements to self sufficiency ratio. Going on one extreme to an other is never a good choice. You can lower tax to improve the economy (if you lower too much it will kill the governments). If you lower the correct places (High Class and the middle class and/or Business) you give the people more spending and investment powers.
I don't see a problem being successful. But I have a problem if a person got successful on other people misery and/or illegal ways. (like a Drug dealers, Scamers, etc) And I agree with the economy (politicians and economists) don't know that the economy "always" have it ups and down (it happen every 10 to 20 years) and that how bills (espally regulations types bills get passed). Also Stop bailing out failed entitys (gov programs, Company, corps ,investments) Let them fail. It encourage new growth. Also About the riots in France... It was started by unions (they don't like their retirement age going up). Unions are good but they are demanding a whole lot even on this global recession. (kinda ironic people demand pay increases on a recession.) And the dems keep spending more money driving up the debt. 
I get the message there.(And Things I rarely agree with you) But It kinda getting harder to defend your self without a gun(or some sort of extreme force) and/or threat of a lawsuit. Edited by DT-170x, Dec 2 2010, 05:45 AM.
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| Robert | Dec 2 2010, 11:29 AM Post #4 |
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Watch the attitude. You are initially saying that anyone who is conservative or religious shouldn't be here. Nice try Liberal.
Good job again defining each party. From the neutral perspective, a democrat wants things without work, and wants the Government to tell them what to do. Republicans (true republicans) fight for their freedom.
Tell that to Obama. At least, that's how Obama's side works.
Because you liberals are really stupid and think you can make us do what you want?
Like I said before, good job. Not. So you start off making fun of religion, then you made fun of your own party, then you define a conservative incorrectly, and then you start bashing Americans. Then instead of quoting Ronald Reagan's "The Government cannot solve our problems because the Government IS the problem" you quote another guy. Do you really wish for me to take you seriously anymore? Later on Today I will modify this post covering each paragraph you make. Edited by Robert, Dec 2 2010, 01:12 PM.
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| Thinvader747 | Dec 2 2010, 08:52 PM Post #5 |
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When? It's not easy to commit yourself to one party's ideals in an economic climate like this. This might derive from my foreign-ness, but when did he mention a conservative? But you can't say he's wrong, can you? The same things can be said about the Brits, too. Because this particular quote is not relevant? I often wonder the same about you, you know. |
"The best thing about the British is our ability to laugh at ourselves. By ourselves I mean other people. And by laugh I mean invade." - Jimmy Carr
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| Deleted User | Dec 2 2010, 10:42 PM Post #6 |
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1- what? 2- wha? that's pretty much the exact opposite of what i said. frankly, if you wanted to make me look dumb you could have kept it the way i meant it. 3- obama is kind of the only politician not guilty of this. mostly because he isn't really saying anything at all lately. 4- huh? 5- it's called being a moderate. 6- i never defined a conservative...? 7- EXACTLY. THAT'S THE POINT. 8- why would i quote that? it's wrong. 9- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy i forgive you for not knowing this, he's a pretty obscure guy. most people havent heard of him, it's totally normal that you couldnt identify that quote there's no such thing as an america where everything works out without work. otherwise it's just "everything out". are you unwilling to work for your country? let me ask you this- do you honestly think, having reda this, im talking about political parties? or specific politicians? im talking about the american people. not a party. not a single politician. the fact that the american people are acting like a bunch of spoiled brats. yet, your response was to bring up completely irrelevant partisan squabble, attack Obama entirely at random, make up(?) an attack on religion, and act like this is a attack from a liberal to conservatives. this is an attack from me, individually, on the attitudes that led us into an economic bust and are preventing us from leaving it.
where did i mention socialism? but since you brought it up i may as well adress it. the biggest problem with the american attitude is that we expect entitlement. we expect it all to go well. but we dont even have it to be taken away. all that needs to happen is for people to notice they arent entitled, and they will stir up a frenzy, as is going on now, trying to regain something they nevre had in the first place. most people who are feircly against unemployment benefits have jobs. most people against medicare are healthy. probably all people who violently protest abortion (key word is violently. as in murdering doctors) are not pregnant. fact is, if somebody lost thier job, they are going to want unemployment benifits. if you are a pregnant teen, you are going to at least have the thought of abortion cross your mind. (please, dont argue the abortion one... im not trying to make this a reliigious debate)
i've never really cared about your opinion of me to be honest. -shrug- i have more important people in my life |
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| Robert | Dec 3 2010, 01:26 PM Post #7 |
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This thread, for starters.
I know it's sad that Democrats, Liberals and even Republicans aren't the same.Good thing Conservatives are still the way they are.
He defined a republican.
Yes, but he's framing America as the ONLY country.
Because this thread is taking about the Government = Fail which that quote covers perfectly.
I know, many people on another forum don't either.
I see... okay
Really? I think he's done the most in these recent years. I mean, he only has four years to do damage so he had to do this quickly.
I'm sorry, someone could simply get offended by those pics you posted. And if you didn't mean it, don't post the graphics.
A moderate... what?
I know you defined a republican.
Okay then. Why?
Oh really? Seriously. I'm going to be civil but really. On another forum there are tons of Atheists and Liberals who are absolutely ignorant. I try to understand their point of view (which usually makes no sense) and then they bash me to death because of my opinions. But you claim that RR's quote is wrong? Where have you been? The Government is obviously growing way too big. Don't believe me, go to the airport and try to get in an airplane without getting checked by security. Sure, 9/11 played a role in it, but the Government sure doesn't care.
Sure, no offense but I wasn't born during his time.
I want to work for my country as there's no such thing as a free lunch (Penny Candy, read the book). But if I have to work for not just myself but for a few hundred lazy Americans, then I'm mad.
Sure even I'm a spoiled brat. But this topic is about Americans relying on the Government (which is what I get from it), thus you really don't need to cover the conservatives, we can handle ourselves just fine.
Oh I randomly attacked the guy who happens to be involved in sending this country down? (as I type this, my dad has Christmas music playing, I want to feel happy now but it's hard to  )
I don't care to be honest. I'm bashed enough on another forum. All I ask for is respect, and I'll respect back. |
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| Thinvader747 | Dec 3 2010, 07:53 PM Post #8 |
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... Do YOU even know what you're talking about? Because I'm seriously confused right now. The quote "The Government cannot solve our problems because the Government IS the problem" completely defies the point of this topic, which is stating that we can't keep blaming the government if we're not willing to work towards a solution ourselves. I don't think DM meant it was WRONG as such, just irrelevant. Secondly, at what point exactly did he insult religion? Because I don't see it. No he isn't. He's just focusing on America because that's where he lives. If I made the topic, I'd reference Britain. If TGM made the topic, he'd reference Brazil. It's all relative.
So he mentioned a conservative by defining a republican, despite the fact that by your own definition, the two are different? ... What? Your reply seems to make no sense whatsoever. I genuinely cannot believe that it was your reply; someone I thought was very calculated and politically savvy. |
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"The best thing about the British is our ability to laugh at ourselves. By ourselves I mean other people. And by laugh I mean invade." - Jimmy Carr
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| Deleted User | Dec 3 2010, 11:11 PM Post #9 |
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1-where in this thread? 2- lol i shouldn't even have to point this out, but you just epic self-pwn3d. 3- im not living in any other countries, thus im not crituiquing them as i would have a far more distorted veiwpoint. this problem is universal in my opinion, however. 4- this is part one of a series of short essays i've been asked to write. this one is more about the people in general than the government. -shrug- 5- error 404- relevance not found. attempting to care. failed. shrug. proceeding with my life. commencing... 6- see response number 5 7- im sorry you were offended by my suggustions of not being a wimp. 8- you've never heard of a political moderate? this explains SO much. 9- see response number 5 10- it's probably one of the twenty most famous quotes of all time. if you dont even know who Kennedy was you've clearly failed to learn any american history so far. 11- so on the off chance some of your effort might end up helping someone who hadnt earned it, you'll choose to not even work for yourself. that's like holding your breath till the other guy passes out. 12- did you even read what i posted or did you jsut look at the colorful pictures and title and decide you understood what i was saying? 13- yes. utterly random. and im not responding to that little bit of trolling. even if you had brought up bin laden and saids he was awful, it wouldnt bear any relevance to the topic at hand. 14- response five. but can you send me a link to this other forum? clearly it's bothering you and im really curious now. you certainly aren't doing much to earn my respect now. an actual debate i can respect. all you keep doing is using the names of groups like conservatives or liberals while demonstrating no actual understanding of the complexities of each group or issue. you know the regan quote but you dont appear to even understand what he meant by it. you dont like the idea of a free lunch but you demonstrate no actual thoughts behind it. you define this as an attack on conservativism without realizing you are talking to a real conservative that doesnt appreciate your bastardizing (that's not a swearword. i mean to remove it of it's true origin) of conservative ideals. you say "good thing conservatives are always the same" but it's quite clear that if i asked you to define a conservative you'd have to look it up. think before you post. or even after. i always edit my political posts after i post them. i respect an intelligent argument. i dont expect you to be as smart as me, but i at least want something that sounds like there's a human being on the other end. if something is worth saying i want to hear a reason. this isnt a debate, it's a facepalm. |
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