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Deleted User	Sep 14 2010, 08:47 PM Post #1
Deleted User	if god exists, then why does he allow suffering?
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Robert	Sep 14 2010, 09:35 PM Post #2
Posts: 7,393 Group: Members Member #3 Joined: Apr 3, 2010 What version of GM do you use? 6 Pro	Define suffering. Also, why shouldn't God exist if suffering does?
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Deleted User	Sep 14 2010, 10:38 PM Post #3
Deleted User	suffering. that which causes misery, sadness, unnecessary pain. and that wasnt the point of my question. im at a loss for explaining somethnig that happened in my life, im scouting around for some way to understand it.
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Robert	Sep 14 2010, 10:41 PM Post #4
Posts: 7,393 Group: Members Member #3 Joined: Apr 3, 2010 What version of GM do you use? 6 Pro	Well it's not that He allows suffering, it happens because it's part of life and you need to have faith.
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carterv	Sep 15 2010, 12:37 AM Post #5
Carter V. Posts: 3,500 Group: Members Member #4 Joined: Apr 3, 2010 What version of GM do you use? 7 Pro	"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - Unknown If someone knows who wrote this, please bring it to my attention. But that is all I have to say on the subject, mostly because I do not believe in a god.



TheGanjaMan	Sep 15 2010, 12:45 AM Post #6
Weed Moderator Posts: 2,602 Group: Members Member #17 Joined: Apr 3, 2010 Activity Level Sometimes Active	carterv Sep 15 2010, 12:37 AM "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - Unknown Well, I think that may be wrong, according to what christians say, that's how God wants stuff to be. I may believe that God exists, but I don't believe in any religion, because all the stuff they say are bs (not trying to offend anyone, that's what I think about it)
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Deleted User	Sep 15 2010, 12:52 AM Post #7
Deleted User	Epicurus the greek philosipher wrote taht. i know because taht quote has been my FB status for 3 days...
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carterv	Sep 15 2010, 01:19 AM Post #8
Carter V. Posts: 3,500 Group: Members Member #4 Joined: Apr 3, 2010 What version of GM do you use? 7 Pro	Alright. I've had it as one of my favorite quotes for a few months.



TMoT	Sep 15 2010, 01:37 AM Post #9
Your Bestest Nightmare Posts: 5,021 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Apr 3, 2010	"Is he both able and willing?" yep. "Then whence cometh evil?" because of us, because of free will. It would be wrong for him to make us and leave that out. Suffering is us learning, not as individuals but as a whole. That's its whole point, and eventually we won't need it, that's when God will do what he said he will in the bible. Bye-bye evil... That's what I believe anyways.
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Nijg	Sep 15 2010, 01:46 AM Post #10
rude crude piece of food Posts: 7,332 Group: Members Member #2 Joined: Apr 3, 2010 What version of GM do you use? 6 Pro	Suffering builds character. We'd all be a bunch of wimps if it wasn't for suffering.
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Martho	Sep 15 2010, 05:15 AM Post #11
Posts: 1,404 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Apr 3, 2010 Activity Level Active	Whats the point of going to school if someone else does all your work for you?



Robert	Sep 15 2010, 12:07 PM Post #12
Posts: 7,393 Group: Members Member #3 Joined: Apr 3, 2010 What version of GM do you use? 6 Pro	Martho Sep 15 2010, 05:15 AM Whats the point of going to school if someone else does all your work for you? To learn. To get education. To gain knowledge. Of course, these days school is full of so much crap you might as well not go at all. But originally, school was intended to be the place to learn, get education and gain knowledge.
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Martho	Sep 15 2010, 04:33 PM Post #13
Posts: 1,404 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: Apr 3, 2010 Activity Level Active	Robert Sep 15 2010, 12:07 PM Martho Sep 15 2010, 05:15 AM Whats the point of going to school if someone else does all your work for you? To learn. To get education. To gain knowledge. No. You don't learn anything if someone else does all your work for you. What I said was supposed to be an example of why god doesn't just fix everything for us. Then we wouldn't learn anything from the test.



Nijg	Sep 15 2010, 09:48 PM Post #14
rude crude piece of food Posts: 7,332 Group: Members Member #2 Joined: Apr 3, 2010 What version of GM do you use? 6 Pro	Robert Sep 15 2010, 12:07 PM Martho Sep 15 2010, 05:15 AM Whats the point of going to school if someone else does all your work for you? To learn. To get education. To gain knowledge. Of course, these days school is full of so much crap you might as well not go at all. But originally, school was intended to be the place to learn, get education and gain knowledge. Wow that was a fail XD
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Robert	Sep 15 2010, 09:51 PM Post #15
Posts: 7,393 Group: Members Member #3 Joined: Apr 3, 2010 What version of GM do you use? 6 Pro	Martho Sep 15 2010, 04:33 PM Robert Sep 15 2010, 12:07 PM Martho Sep 15 2010, 05:15 AM Whats the point of going to school if someone else does all your work for you? To learn. To get education. To gain knowledge. No. You don't learn anything if someone else does all your work for you. What I said was supposed to be an example of why god doesn't just fix everything for us. Then we wouldn't learn anything from the test. That was my point. People do all the work for you.
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Nijg	Sep 15 2010, 10:00 PM Post #16
rude crude piece of food Posts: 7,332 Group: Members Member #2 Joined: Apr 3, 2010 What version of GM do you use? 6 Pro	Robert I wouldn't expect you to go against an analogy that is supposed to be supporting your side of the argument
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Deleted User	Sep 15 2010, 10:34 PM Post #17
Deleted User	I wasn't talking about school, martho. what i was more reffering to is a relaization i had. (you may have seen this in another topic, im putting it in both) about a week ago, my best friend shot himself with a gun nobody knew he owned. what i realized the day i posted of my original group of four best friends, dating back to around 2nd grade, i am now the only one left alive. all three of the best friends i've ever had in my life have killed themselves. two did in the same year. what i think is strange is how a group of four friends all had issues that led them to develop depression issues. i wondered if it was fate that when we were jsut little kids, the same things in our personalities that led us four to attempt suicide, and three to succeed, is what made us freinds before we even understood what depression was. i would define having all your best freinds being dead as suffering. i dunno about you, but i'd call my last weeks what i wonder is this: if god can fill peopel with a light and good feeling, then why'd he not even stop one of them? im quite tired of lsitening to complaints and arguments and whining. all my friends are dead... i've heard nobody with anything that sounds like true loss anymore.
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TMoT	Sep 15 2010, 10:39 PM Post #18
Your Bestest Nightmare Posts: 5,021 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Apr 3, 2010	that's no fun
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TheGanjaMan	Sep 18 2010, 11:24 PM Post #19
Weed Moderator Posts: 2,602 Group: Members Member #17 Joined: Apr 3, 2010 Activity Level Sometimes Active	Nijg Sep 15 2010, 01:46 AM Suffering builds character. We'd all be a bunch of wimps if it wasn't for suffering. Ok, so I am going to cut my wrists and I'll have a fully-built character in no time. or do I mean dead
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TMoT	Sep 19 2010, 05:09 AM Post #20
Your Bestest Nightmare Posts: 5,021 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Apr 3, 2010	"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger."
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Robert	Sep 19 2010, 01:27 PM Post #21
Posts: 7,393 Group: Members Member #3 Joined: Apr 3, 2010 What version of GM do you use? 6 Pro	The Mouse of Time Sep 19 2010, 05:09 AM "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger." No that's not how the saying goes. "What doesn't kill you really hurts!"
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Deleted User	Sep 19 2010, 06:09 PM Post #22
Deleted User	yeah, i'd say i'd probably be stronger with my freinds still alive. weird, i know.
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