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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 27 2010, 10:23 PM (311 Views) | |
| Deleted User | Apr 27 2010, 10:23 PM Post #1 |
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anyone who watches the news already knows what im talking about. anyone who doesn't, i reccomend you read this; http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/24/us/politics/24immig.html it's reasonably unbiased. i also advise looking it up by googling Arizona immigration law for other sources. in a nutshell, the law requires police officers to arrest people for not having immigration papers with them at all times. the controversy over this is obvious. MY OPINION: this bill is racist. how are police supposed to decide who to check for papers? they sure wont choose white people, that's for sure. seems like african americans may finally not be the ones being pulled over for driving, but flipping that over to Hispanic people is no better. it's bad enough that there are "bad seed" racist cops. don't make it a legal requirement. and you know who benifits most from this? actual criminals. people who truly deserve to be behind bars are that much more lilley to not be caught, because many police will be busy harrassing innocent people on a racial basis. |
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| TMoT | Apr 28 2010, 12:10 AM Post #2 |
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Okay, I didn't read your article, but your one sentence sum makes think that somebody had a little to many happy pills. |
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| Peter Porky | Apr 28 2010, 01:22 AM Post #3 |
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"and you know who benifits most from this? actual criminals. people who truly deserve to be behind bars are that much more lilley to not be caught, because many police will be busy harrassing innocent people on a racial basis." Considering 1/3 of our prison is illegal immigrants your argument is invalid. |
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| carterv | Apr 28 2010, 03:35 AM Post #4 |
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"Let me see your papers" One of the most racist lines ever, and it is being put back into circulation. Edited by carterv, Apr 28 2010, 10:18 PM.
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| Peter Porky | Apr 28 2010, 04:20 AM Post #5 |
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racism: a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. "Let me see your papers" is not racist in any way whatsoever. Its like checking to see whether someone is the drinking age when buying alcohol. |
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| carterv | Apr 28 2010, 10:21 PM Post #6 |
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It is to me. When I hear it, I think about the stuff during the holocaust, when the jewish had to carry around identity papers. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 28 2010, 10:55 PM Post #7 |
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yes, i've noticed that one third of our prisions are built out of illegal immigrants. we need more solid walls, for sure. (sorry, lol im not feeding the troll) there's a difference between checking age and race. one is age. one is race. that;s why checking someone based on race is racist. |
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| Peter Porky | Apr 28 2010, 11:56 PM Post #8 |
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Age discrimination, race discrimination, its a prejudicial system that works. Noone's going to ask a 60 year old guy if they are of age, and noone is going to ask a white guy if he's an illegal immigrant. People will ask someone of questionable age, and will ask someone who can't speak english if they are an illegal immigrant. A simple show of papers cutting down on crime? Maybe a little 'racism'? I think the ends justify the means. Edited by Peter Porky, Apr 29 2010, 12:06 AM.
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| Deleted User | Apr 29 2010, 01:00 AM Post #9 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution |
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| DT-170x | Apr 29 2010, 01:22 AM Post #10 |
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Not to be rude They call illegal immigrant for nothing. If they get caught they get the boot. EDIT: I do support legal immigration but not illegal. Edited by DT-170x, Apr 29 2010, 01:49 AM.
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| Vlad | Apr 29 2010, 01:54 AM Post #11 |
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It's racist, if not in word, then in its implications. This is VERY much like the airport policy of taking aside and focusing on people of certain minorities (in other words, Arabs and middle easterners). That policy has been studied very closely, and has in fact been shown to be no less effective--and even less effective--than policies ignoring racial lines (I had a Scientific America with a great article on this somewhere). The problem with this law is that in Arizona where there are likely to be problems with illegal immigrants, there will also be high concentrations of Hispanics and legal, but not white, citizens. The terminology of the law is also very much akin to the Holocaust, to Nazi Germany, and to other such unequal and unjust situations. I realize that illegal immigration is a problem but this is not the way to solve it. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 29 2010, 11:11 PM Post #12 |
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yes, a valid point. illegal immagrants who are criminals should absolutley be deported. and yet, the vast majority of illegal immagrants don't cause the slightest trouble. at least an eighth of the people in my town aren't here legally. yet despite having the highest concentration of south american immagrants in the county, we also have the lowest crime rate of said county. my interactions with said immagrants? i play soccer with a bunch of them on weekends. i hang out with them. a whole bunch are my friends. im dating one right now.i enjoy my time with them. people are people. see, that's the real disconnect here. people who support this kind of law clearly have no hispanic, asian or black friends. a criminal is a criminal. a person who went over a boarder in pursuit of a better life and a chance at success isn't a criminal. they are called a pursuer of the american dream. and let's take that overused "jobs taken" argument. if someone is willing to work for less, then that's called CAPITALISM. it's about time somebody made us white people have to work for something rather then just coasting on heritage. i expect to get police attention based on my behavior, not my race. i hate how this law makes it a legal requirement for police officers to be racist. |
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| Peter Porky | Apr 29 2010, 11:23 PM Post #13 |
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Therefore we should not check ID's before people enter clubs, or before people buy alcohol, or before selling guns, etc. O wait! A government law granting a search and seizure allows that! ... Your argument is invalid. "see, that's the real disconnect here. people who support this kind of law clearly have no hispanic, asian or black friends. a criminal is a criminal. a person who went over a boarder in pursuit of a better life and a chance at success isn't a criminal. they are called a pursuer of the american dream." We have open borders. If people want work they come here legally; 1/3 of our prison is illegal immigrants. Stop playing the race card. "and yet, the vast majority of illegal immagrants don't cause the slightest trouble. at least an eighth of the people in my town aren't here legally. yet despite having the highest concentration of south american immagrants in the county, we also have the lowest crime rate of said county." Town name please, and please provide a link to the afformentioned statistics. Considering the fact that 1/3 of our prison is illegal immigrants, and 1/3 of the US is not illegal immigrants, a 'vast majority' are much more likely to go to prison. "and let's take that overused "jobs taken" argument. if someone is willing to work for less, then that's called CAPITALISM. it's about time somebody made us white people have to work for something rather then just coasting on heritage." Noone is arguing about immigration as a whole, the 'jobs taken' argument applies to all immigration, this is a discussion solely about illegal immigration. "most adults i've spoken to who are illegal immigrants say that if there was a way to do it[pay taxes], they would sign up. it's not like they deviously say" There is a way to do it, its called legally immigrating...................................... Edited by Peter Porky, Apr 29 2010, 11:32 PM.
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| Deleted User | Apr 29 2010, 11:51 PM Post #14 |
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1:those are responses to DOING things. not just BEING underage. 2:we dont have open boarders in the sense you think we do. 3: im not telling you where i live. and yes, among all immigrants who are in prision, one third or more are illegal. however, that is not one third overall. lol, playing the race card? this is a law that can only be applied on a racial bias, so its not called "the race card" it's called "the race topic" 4:ok then. |
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| Peter Porky | Apr 30 2010, 12:00 AM Post #15 |
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1. The law caters to DOING things. Someone walking around you speaking Spanish, near the Mexican border; Probably an illegal immigrant, if they aren't they take 5 seconds out of their life to show them their ID(O teh noes! Not 5 seconds of a man's life to cut down on illegal immigration! And therefore cutting down on crime and saving lives? OUTRAGEOUS!) 2. How so? 3. Where I live every illegal immigrant is a murderer who rapes people on a daily basis, and at least all of them would never pay taxes... but I'm not going to tell you where I live. Does that seem logical to you? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 30 2010, 12:20 AM Post #16 |
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1: that.... is..................... i cannot even explain how offensife i think that remark is. im just going to pretend, for the sake of this topics so-far calm atitude, that you never wrote that. 2: it is not easy to get into the united states. it is in fact incredibly difficult. it can mean years waiting. 3: this argument is really not worth revealing where i live to the internets. feel free to claim that though. |
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| Peter Porky | Apr 30 2010, 12:33 AM Post #17 |
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1. Its not offensive, its realistic. Racism boo hoo, if someone's racist against you all you need to do is show them your ID which makes them stop being racist? It cuts down on crime and saves lives. Would you let people die if it meant you not having to show a policeman your ID when asked? 2. Its very easy, the only real requirements are to not have AIDS and not have a criminal record. You can get into the states instantly. It takes years however to become a citizen. 3. I saw your name back on a facebook screenshot a while back, for some reason you can post your IRL name, but not your town when it supports your argument. Sounds to me like you are either lying or pulling those statistics from out of your ass. Edited by Peter Porky, Apr 30 2010, 12:40 AM.
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| Robert | Apr 30 2010, 01:11 AM Post #18 |
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Okay guys calm down. Stop insulting each other, try to stay civil, and don't spam the thread. Thanks |
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| Deleted User | Apr 30 2010, 01:36 AM Post #19 |
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it's worth pointing out my only insult this thread is calling him a troll.... once. 1- im white. this injustice does not and never will effect me. or you, because you are so obviously white. 2- whatever, it's not that simple but im really too lazy to explain 3- there are over twenty people in new york state with my name alone. im not lying about this. seriously, why do you assume that people are bad? i dont get that. you have an incredibly negative view on pretty much everything. |
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| Peter Porky | Apr 30 2010, 05:25 AM Post #20 |
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...Webmaster, read what we're saying, we're not insulting eachother. We are staying civil... but apparently 'arguments' in the 'debate' forum count as flame wars; Mods just <3 their imaginary power on this forum don't they. 1. DM... this is NOT ABOUT RACE. Get that through your ahead. Stop playing the race card. 2. Yes it is actually, however, you always use this excuse such as "I'm too lazy to explain" or "I will explain this later" or "This statement is so offensive/stupid/ignorant that I will not counter it!"; The reality is that you have no point or your argument is invalid. 3. There are more people in your town than with your name I would assume. Seriously, why do you assume that people are good? Its racist. ...I have a realistic view on everything, I use statistics, not personal views on people. 1/3 of our prison is illegal immigrants, when that stops I'll stop believing people who go to prison are bad; But apparently, believing that people who go to prison are bad, and that's racism. Apparently I have been warned for racism, by DM, again. Apparently I have exemplified racism(clearly not), and DM hasn't(clearly has)... because apparently I can't talk about race... in a thread where DM keeps playing the race card. Its really sad that you have to do this tbh. I'm going to leave this thread until DM uses real points and/or I get unwarned for my opinion getting censored because DM likes to cover his ears and go "NANANA i can't hear you! *mute/ban/ignore/entrap*" Edited by Peter Porky, Apr 30 2010, 05:26 AM.
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| Deleted User | Apr 30 2010, 11:14 AM Post #21 |
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1- this is about a law that specifically effects hispanic immagrants. this is a topic that, belive it or not, involves race. and honestly, what im doing is not saying "because im/they're black/hispanisc they deserve better." im saying "im white, im not entitled to anything and these people have work ten times harder then i ever will. overall i have found them to be nice people and this law sickens me" i've played the race card before, i dont deny it's one of my ploys, but this isn't really it. 2- im not going to convince you, i dont see much point in trying honestly. 3-"There are more people in your town than with your name I would assume." Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? "Apparently I have been warned for racism, by DM, again." lol that's funny cuz i just looked at your warns... i wasnt aware i was the mouse of time. "1/3 of our prison is illegal immigrants" obvious troll is obvious. |
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| DT-170x | Apr 30 2010, 08:09 PM Post #22 |
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Message to both PP and DM. And both be civil next time. You both got a nasty rep for flaming each other and other members on this forum. I am Locking this tread due to it going to be a flame war. If you don't agree PM ME. And also, You can't sway people political thoughts arounds. And no side is 100% correct. Edited by DT-170x, Apr 30 2010, 08:15 PM.
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