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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 11 2010, 05:10 PM (1,017 Views) | |
| Tolsimir | Dec 11 2010, 05:10 PM Post #1 |
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Do you realy think are puppeters any good? Personally, I think its the worst clan or non clan currently. Lets check what they have... First Puppet: 700 Skill Points It has a fair cost of SP, and 1 Minute of Cool Down if its killed or unsummoned. Puppet Swap: 350 Skill Points Its like a better kawarimi (replacement) , and it has 45 secons of Cool Down. Puppet Transform: 350 Skill Points Transforms your puppet so it looks like you... Is it this skill really necesary? Have you ever seen someone with this skill or using it? IT SUCKS!! Its a waste of 350 SP. Second Puppet: 2000 Skill Points Oh my god... You can summon the second skill, your puppets can obstruct themselves with their weapons... 2000 Skill points its too much points for something like this, also they cant get equiped the same weapons... I think puppeters sucks right now, because: They cant use simoultaneously Bunshins (Clones) with puppets (They can summon them, but yhe clones cant attack). They cant use any weapon when the puppet is active. They need a lot of money to improve their skills, moreover, they cant be improoved with Str Con Rfx or Int. The weapons you can equip to your puppets are not so much useful... A Shield that is worst than sand shield... Poison blades sucks... To use body crush you need your oponent be stunned... The puppets can auto-attack, you have to press F button and then A, besides they are slow, and dont get improved by Blind Side. I've been thought in some useful skills that replace Puppet transform and Second puppet. Human Puppet (It replaces Second Puppet): 4000 Skill Points When you kill an opponent and press Space Bar, your second puppet (able to summon), get 4 (2 if you prefer) elemental jutsus of it, and it improve it stats depending on your enemy's lvl. (It should have 240 seconds of Cool Down, and the copy of techiques can be similar to Uchihas Sharingan Copy, pressing F they auto attack instead changing your screen to control your puppet) Puppet Within (It replaces puppet transform): 4000 Skill Points Its like a Sand Armor, but its based on Stamina instead number of hits. When you are inside your puppet (You can only summon human puppet), and it has 1/3 of the total Str of the controller (thats its Stamina), but you cant regen Chakra inside. It should have 120 second of Cool Down. Puppets could have an Auto Attack bot, like you where pressing F and A constantly. If puppeters get something like that, based on Suna no Sasori's skills, they can be useful some day, and balanced with other clans. |
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| Roi of Kingz | Dec 11 2010, 05:19 PM Post #2 |
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Well I havent seen a puppet being used in a while but Id have to agree that puppets nor anything thats not rfx based should allow blindside to effect it... :/ But Im not for those suggestions mostly because you do have to control the puppet and kankorou (or however you spell it) doesn't stop half way through controlling it to use tajuu... I do agree with a needed change in the black secret puppet skill tree and mechanics. That stunn thing seems like a pain without that many stuns to use. |
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| Tolsimir | Dec 11 2010, 05:36 PM Post #3 |
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Do you realize how hard controlling puppets are on this game? Like really it's not even close to what it is on the anime, basically because on here you have to be mouseclicking puppet's weapons, its moves, and your own moves, well this last one is not that much of a pain in the ass due to that we can keybind the bar, but we cannot keybind puppets, and even if we could the bars are too ing small to keybind everything, so yeah, if puppets were easier to control these hardcore changes I stated before wouldn't be needed. It doesn't matter that we cannot use bunshins nor weapons, it's like that on the anime, but I think that we need some improve. |
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| Andre' | Dec 11 2010, 05:40 PM Post #4 |
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i dont think Kobata cares about suggestions but. puppet swap and puppet henge should be fused together and it should work like the current Kawa. Example - Ougi uses Puppet swap, Ougi switches places with the puppet(assuming Kobata actually adds a Gourd and puppet back pack, i dont know what its call the damn puppets on Kankuro's back) someone attacks the puppet breaks the henge, Ougi appears behind the puppet and depending on which puppet attack is equiped to the puppet it will either use body crush, poison bomb or a simple poison stab. Human Puppet Armor - similar to Bone harden basically a shell with hp and damage reduction. i dont think human puppets should be added i do think a upgraded puppet that looks exactly like you(or Sasori) should be puppeteers S-rank(Kankuro using Sasori's body is where this idea is coming from) in which it can use elemental scrolls ofcourse you'd have to buy them and equip them to the puppet 2 element limit. the way the puppet crows attack should be reworked. instead of you controling the puppet it should walk with you 2tiles out and when you press F it should do a dash attack... |
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| tomodachi | Dec 11 2010, 05:44 PM Post #5 |
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Personally, i have 48k and nothing to spend it on, so having things like that wouldnt be a problem if you actually take the time to mission. you dont have to buy all of the skills. jut get puppet summon and puppet swap and you'll be fine. i hate whenever i get up and a puppetter uses their puppet and traps me, then sends things like chidori or ab at me. LEARN HOW TO COMBO. its possible to do with puppeter skills. id say puppeters are the 2nd or 3 worst clan. at least you dont have to buy transform in order to get puppet swap. Its either puppets or clones, so just dont get clones, spend your sp an something more useful, like earth jutsus. dont rely on your weapons, just use them when your puppet isnt there. a good strategy is having 2 puppets, one for defence/ofence, and the other you send far away so you can swap with it. or learn to combo the puppets together. the speed isnt the problem, just slow/ stop them before using your puppets. the swap sounds good, if its better, just get it. And kobs isnt gonna look at this, so fyi, this post will only be one for ranting lmao. Just for ranting sake (cuz i love to rant) hakus have it worse. theres only one useful move that they have, and it hits like only half the time. to get that ONE useful skill costs (overall) 4800. The best advantage a hku has is the waking on ice thing Edited by tomodachi, Dec 11 2010, 05:46 PM.
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| Royal | Dec 11 2010, 05:53 PM Post #6 |
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The only thing that needs to be changed is targeting, whether you use space, [, or clicking the puppet should still target. It's unrealistic that the only way you can target your opponent with puppet's is to click them. [I'm talking about how the puppet follows the around.] |
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| Andre' | Dec 11 2010, 05:53 PM Post #7 |
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since when did this Puppeteers topic turn into a topic about a clan that was op for two years ? it got nerfed just like Kaguyas deal with it. |
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| Tolsimir | Dec 11 2010, 06:02 PM Post #8 |
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Do you really think I don't do all of those strategies you've mentioned? 1) No one learns all of the puppeters skills just summon and swap (because the rest are completely useless) 2) Don't relay on weapons? Okay let's see, puppets do insane ammounts of damage that cannot be dodged so when they killed (because everyone kills them) now it's the time to get your kunai/anbu sword/decap sword or whatever you want to use to slash them, with a stat that you probably leveled up (who doesn't get rfx as puppeter? it's best stat) to do good ammounts of damage. Hope you noticed the irony on this. 3) "a good strategy is having 2 puppets, one for defence/ofence, and the other you send far away so you can swap with it" first, there's only that choice, one attacking and the other defending, and for controlling them, with one click you move BOTH, not like IE gaara's sand that you have to click 3 times if you have 3 sand summons, and second, they obstruct themselves getting one in front of the one that's attacking. And btw this post isn't about Haku's, it's obvious that they're as shit as puppeters, but IMO I think they're even better than this, because this is complet shit, I've got 3 puppeters at level 80+ and they suck so ing hard. |
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| tomodachi | Dec 11 2010, 06:06 PM Post #9 |
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andre, i didnt play when they were OP, i just want it to be balanced. fyi, i did just for ranting sake, so i couldve said it on goa quotes and i wouldnt mind. and i think there is some way for puppeters to be good, just dont buy EVERY puppetter skill. |
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| Andre' | Dec 11 2010, 06:10 PM Post #10 |
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you not playing when they was op just sucks for you... hakus was broken now they are crappy i see no problem with this... even with my amazing GOA speed i couldn't out run ice needles, got stunned and hit with a jutsu that could do 4k damage(Ice explosion) down with Hakus up with Puppeteers |
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| Roi of Kingz | Dec 11 2010, 06:17 PM Post #11 |
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WTF Kai suggested something @_@ bull who edited that post for him? |
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| Royal | Dec 11 2010, 07:36 PM Post #12 |
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That's Kai? Lolololol. |
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| Raz | Dec 11 2010, 08:09 PM Post #13 |
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k im a puppeteer and i think they are fine why i need to use weapon if my puppet knife dealt 900 damage plus 5+ wound(got like 8sec c/d) why i need puppet armor if i can press D and spam chakra shield(only got like 4 sec c/d maybe 2) and my combo whit my puppet dealt 5k+ damage and 10+wound and im only lv 33 and in my opinion to use a puppet you need to b skill cuz you can spam like most noobs (neddle spam, clones spam) and dont get puppet henge is waste of skill points |
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| The Avatar | Dec 11 2010, 09:34 PM Post #14 |
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Jounin
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Raizoka each time I fight you, you run. I've never seen this, but I'm interested, let's tussle. |
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| Dipic | Dec 11 2010, 10:14 PM Post #15 |
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The only thing I have to add is, of course you can't use weapons while you're controlling a puppet. CHAKRA STRINGS! *cough* Tajuu, I'd say that's a problem... and it's because too many things rely on the same key. (Spacebar seems to be over used, F seems to be over used) |
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| Taco Roller | Dec 11 2010, 10:44 PM Post #16 |
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I think you meant Space is under used Dipic, sorry it was bugging me I read this 30 mins ago just now replying. |
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| Raz | Dec 12 2010, 12:33 AM Post #17 |
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run wen you use gate or some 1 else jumps in (your never alone) and puppeteers can use clone (how) use clones press f and then summon puppet but is going to make no sense cuz your puppet is going to kill your clones and is kob make a way to use weapons and puppets at the same time your opponent is going to run around and there is a chance your going to do more damage to your puppet then your opponent cuz a lot of puppets user always make the puppet follow so your puppet is going to b on the way and if you press D and use kunai melee or projectile your going to hit puppet if you and him are in the same space |
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| Dipic | Dec 12 2010, 03:27 PM Post #18 |
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Go ask an Uchiha who accidentally copies a jutsu they don't want while they are trying to target someone or speak to an NPC, or someone using any type of clone jutsu that needs to target the closest person. Kay? |
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| Orb | Dec 12 2010, 05:39 PM Post #19 |
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i find puppets easy to use xD even depic knows that along with alot of high lvl players that ive fought you just got to have alot of skills to fight as one of them and i like being under power (as they all say) so when i kill some one or just about kill them they all know how much more i would pwn if puppets were one of the best clans and this is coming from a person that doesn't have a true build str216/con213/rfx251(-50.2)/int240 i just threw AP into everything for fun and if i can kill some high lvl youths/naras even ruthy i would fear they will all cry if i get more power saying im OP so if they give us more power im down for it but for me i like being the under dog ripping pit bulls to shreds XD |
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| Andre' | Dec 12 2010, 06:30 PM Post #20 |
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There is a reason why puppeteers cant use weapons while using puppets. if you've read the manga you will see that puppets are a nins weapon/tool so the only thing GOA(Kobata) needs to do is improve this weapon to be on par with the other clan skills. a little Shunshin buff would be nice atleast give it a longer cooldown 3-4 seconds and let people who use swords shunshin/sword. now that macros is removed lower the Jutsu Delay this will make combos possible and easier. Kobata should of never tried to make GOA noob friendly >< doing that made most of the oldies leave. Yes Roi my inner Genius has shown and blown you away i know i know "Kais smart" |
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| Dipic | Dec 12 2010, 06:37 PM Post #21 |
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Shunshin+sword was bad, and will always be regarded as such in my opinion. There is no reason someone should be able to just press two keys, and if their target is on their screen, immediately hit them with arguably one of the best attacks (sword, minuscule cooldown and high damage) in the game. Same reason shunshin+ctr and lww+ctr was bad. Orb, I have a few friends I would like to introduce you to: . , ! ? ; Please enjoy each other's company. Edited by Dipic, Dec 12 2010, 06:39 PM.
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| Andre' | Dec 12 2010, 06:42 PM Post #22 |
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you would of hated the 1st wipe where shunshin+kunai did 2k with sharingan. just throwing Shunshin+Sword out was the worst idea this is why i suggested a cooldown of 3-5(originally said 4 but 5 seems like a good one) shunshin+sword was only a problem but it could be spammed removing the spam it shouldn't be a problem. your friends aren't needed this is t he internet not a term paper. i would love to introduce you to the biggest homosexual in GOA history Rog... would you love to enjoy his company ? (i should of said shiwoon since he was actually bi but Rog was more homo then anyone) |
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| Dipic | Dec 12 2010, 08:10 PM Post #23 |
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When someone posts five lines of text, and the only punctuation are a decimal point, a negative symbol, and some parentheses, there is a problem which makes it very hard to read. Also, this was not directed towards you, you had no reason to respond to it. Back on the off topic; you are right I would have hated that. That sounds utterly awful. Your suggestion does not balance the issue, it just makes shunshin worse and VERY slightly nerfs shunshin+sword. Being able to do it once every 5 seconds is still incredibly unbalanced. |
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| Roi of Kingz | Dec 12 2010, 08:18 PM Post #24 |
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WHAT! ROG was the greatest goa player eva!!! Atleast im not the only vet who realize that he wasn't much more than an innovative ezer. I would say Bet was better. Yeah puppets are weapons etc etc Id like it if he went ahead and redid puppet play and make it to where you have your different puppets different weapons designed in but all the same dynamics or close to it then through in white secret and red secret style Edited by Roi of Kingz, Dec 12 2010, 09:11 PM.
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| Andre' | Dec 12 2010, 08:28 PM Post #25 |
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Ah, i thought it was aimed in my direction, i guess i should ignore it. My suggestion actually makes it possible to shunshin sword instead of *Shunshin wait 0.25 seconds or so slash and miss* waiting 5 seconds is better then missing 8-10 times on a moving target, i mean who really stands still ? Weapons delay. Kunai - 1 second to less then a second. Anbu Sword - 2.50 seconds to 3 seconds. Decap - 4 to 5 seconds. how is this incredibly unbalanced if it works well with the weapons delay ? I'm gonna have to agree with Roi about Rog and the Puppets. Edited by Andre', Dec 12 2010, 08:34 PM.
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