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Topic Started: Dec 5 2010, 06:10 PM (1,421 Views)
Charle Tarquin
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It's my battle trait, son.
Okay -- There aren't any EPIC fighting styles left in the game. You used to watch Chuunin Exams, and look at the names in the fight and be like "Omg, It's (Man1) vs (Man2), This is going to be epic". Now you look and are like "Dude, these needles spamming noobs, smfh" or "These clones spammers fail" or "This is lasting too long, they both fail". You have no good fighting styles to look forward to. No more Run-Off-Screen-Start-Up-Chidori-Come-Back-Shunshin-LAND. There isn't anymore good Medic tree users. No more good Rasengan users, and there are like 0 combos possible.

What I'm trying to say is we need some stuff we can combo with. Something we can stack with -- Thing that'll make the crowd go "Damn, Pwnt pwnt pwnt" or "Damn, he's raping". Also, since I don't know what'd help this problem I'll let others give some suggestions and what-not.

Edit: Here is the proof. Click here for needle spam technique during a chuunin! Picture.
Edited by Charle Tarquin, Dec 5 2010, 06:30 PM.
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tomodachi
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Idc bout how people fight their fights, but i do think this is crappy, both of them eliminated: http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc369/korion21/Chuuninfail.png

notice the no winners?
Edited by tomodachi, Dec 5 2010, 06:14 PM.
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Andre'

Charle Tarquin
Dec 5 2010, 06:10 PM
Okay -- There aren't any EPIC fighting styles left in the game. You used to watch Chuunin Exams, and look at the names in the fight and be like "Omg, It's (Man1) vs (Man2), This is going to be epic". Now you look and are like "Dude, these needles spamming noobs, smfh" or "These clones spammers fail" or "This is lasting too long, they both fail". You have no good fighting styles to look forward to. No more Run-Off-Screen-Start-Up-Chidori-Come-Back-Shunshin-LAND. There isn't anymore good Medic tree users. No more good Rasengan users, and there are like 0 combos possible.

What I'm trying to say is we need some stuff we can combo with. Something we can stack with -- Thing that'll make the crowd go "Damn, Pwnt pwnt pwnt" or "Damn, he's raping". Also, since I don't know what'd help this problem I'll let others give some suggestions and what-not.
maybe Kobata could lower the jutsu delay so we can use combos since macros was completely removed..

and if you dont know what a jutsu delay is you fail.
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BigBoss
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now u dont have stun moves, is hard to make a combo

Ex:chidori senbon,doton,chidori,crush,earth flow ==> GG
Edited by BigBoss, Dec 5 2010, 07:10 PM.
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Vjerik
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Their arent any epic genin either unless u count those sad lvl 70s...
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terron
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Rofl chuunins are wack but watch my lvl 30 garaa win
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Charle Tarquin
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It's my battle trait, son.
Gaaras are easy to win with now. Sand Burial > SS > Doton Chamber of Nothingness > Chamber Crush.
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Undo
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I miss the days when you could daze someone, LC + Ice Mirror, then Katon spam them during mirrors and follow up with a doton crush and rasengan D:
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Charle Tarquin
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It's my battle trait, son.
Now that's what I like. Uber-Hax-OP Combos.
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Undo
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ok... if no one makes clone gaara with sand burial, rasengan, and water dragon... then i will
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Kaipo

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Dec 6 2010, 12:15 AM
ok... if no one makes clone gaara with sand burial, rasengan, and water dragon... then i will
It's already been done. :)
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Andre'

Lww > Shunshin > Nirvana fist > shunshin > Rasengan > Fear Gen > Raikiri was my favorite combo
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Geki

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Dec 6 2010, 05:42 PM
Lww > Shunshin > Nirvana fist > shunshin > Rasengan > Fear Gen > Raikiri was my favorite combo
here is a better one copied nirvanna fist--->housenka--> para gen-->raikiri or my personal favorite shunshin copied ws then shunshin normal ws get that +50% rfx boost from shunshin and toss in some epic 1k+ kunai slashes
Edited by Geki, Dec 6 2010, 07:05 PM.
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Joequel
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Raikiri -> Game


But seriously, there's no variety anymore :l.

Water = Haku
Lightning = Rfx
Doton = Meh, only one working in the right way :l.
Wind = Con
Fire = Dumbass

Gotta miss the syrup mp eating water, the days of fire actually being legit.

I mean if you take characters down with a certain stat or two, there's only so many moves they can get corresponding to that stat that will fit.

Con character is going to obviously grab the wind tree (or bullet at least) as well as medical jutsu.
Fire isn't really an option.. water most likely isn't that useful, just for that damn dragon, if it's worth trying. Fire is hard to hit and the slowdown fails.

*Shrug* Just seemed to be more of a choice a few years back.
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Joequel
Dec 6 2010, 09:40 PM
Raikiri -> Game


But seriously, there's no variety anymore :l.

Water = Haku
Lightning = Rfx
Doton = Meh, only one working in the right way :l.
Wind = Con
Fire = Dumbass

Gotta miss the syrup mp eating water, the days of fire actually being legit.

I mean if you take characters down with a certain stat or two, there's only so many moves they can get corresponding to that stat that will fit.

Con character is going to obviously grab the wind tree (or bullet at least) as well as medical jutsu.
Fire isn't really an option.. water most likely isn't that useful, just for that damn dragon, if it's worth trying. Fire is hard to hit and the slowdown fails.

*Shrug* Just seemed to be more of a choice a few years back.
Perfect Post.
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Charle Tarquin
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It's my battle trait, son.
Ariesowns
Dec 6 2010, 09:43 PM
Joequel
Dec 6 2010, 09:40 PM
Raikiri -> Game


But seriously, there's no variety anymore :l.

Water = Haku
Lightning = Rfx
Doton = Meh, only one working in the right way :l.
Wind = Con
Fire = Dumbass

Gotta miss the syrup mp eating water, the days of fire actually being legit.

I mean if you take characters down with a certain stat or two, there's only so many moves they can get corresponding to that stat that will fit.

Con character is going to obviously grab the wind tree (or bullet at least) as well as medical jutsu.
Fire isn't really an option.. water most likely isn't that useful, just for that damn dragon, if it's worth trying. Fire is hard to hit and the slowdown fails.

*Shrug* Just seemed to be more of a choice a few years back.
Perfect Post.
Agreed. I remember Aries teaching the Leaf newbs how to use Fire Stuns, and Fuuton right at the top left of the Dojo.


Edit: You can even tell that the fighting style and creativity has become bland -- Look at these guys who're A-Rank Genin. Most of them say they want to be Genin, but it's more likely that they just can't win.
Edited by Charle Tarquin, Dec 6 2010, 10:28 PM.
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Kaipo

Fire isn't really that bad...
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Geki

Kaipo
Dec 6 2010, 10:28 PM
Fire isn't really that bad...
maybe with the kawa change its not as horrible as before but its still pretty bad
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Kaipo
Dec 6 2010, 10:28 PM
Fire isn't really that bad...
Lol
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Gatlocke
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Smh Kaipo is right Katon can really rape if you use it right
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Joequel
Dec 6 2010, 09:40 PM
Raikiri -> Game


But seriously, there's no variety anymore :l.

Water = Haku
Lightning = Rfx
Doton = Meh, only one working in the right way :l.
Wind = Con
Fire = Dumbass

Gotta miss the syrup mp eating water, the days of fire actually being legit.

I mean if you take characters down with a certain stat or two, there's only so many moves they can get corresponding to that stat that will fit.

Con character is going to obviously grab the wind tree (or bullet at least) as well as medical jutsu.
Fire isn't really an option.. water most likely isn't that useful, just for that damn dragon, if it's worth trying. Fire is hard to hit and the slowdown fails.

*Shrug* Just seemed to be more of a choice a few years back.
:wub:
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Joequel
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Dec 7 2010, 03:56 AM
Smh Kaipo is right Katon can really rape if you use it right
...and a Con character can kill with Chidori if you use/time it just right.

Doesn't make either skill worth it when you compare it to something like bullet. :l

We aren't debating if you can or can't use something, it's about how much more useful other things are in comparison, which just overshadows so much in the game.



Another issue, how badly a lot of clans seemed nerfed.

Non Clan seems to be one of the only options at the moment. There's only so much clans are worth at the moment (not all clans, k? I only know so much with this save.)

Let me give an example of something I've worked with.
Deidara.
3 Skills, Bird, Spider, and C3.

Bird - What's a bird? Oh wait, it's the only Deidara skill remotely worth buying these days.

Oh, but my Kunai with an exploding tag as more range, less homing but more rank. Let's not forget Wind Bullet, the range is lolwtf.

Spider - Lolspider? I think you mean no supply exploding tag, I swear weren't you able to click and make these guys move before? Their ONLY purpose is to drag and drop when you down someone, so unless you get a 1 on 1, junk skill.

C3 - This skill has been hammered so much, I pay 3500 SP and for what? A cheesy Wind Bullet that can one hit everyone (which often includes me..)

The range is okay, but even if a freaking needle hits you while you're trying to cast it DRAINS ALL YOUR MP (well 800, still that's a freakin' rebirth) and you get no C3.

Hell Wind Bullet almost has the same range! >> I don't know, it just irritated me how fail the Deidara class was, had to remake because it annoyed me.

(AGAIN: Deidaras CAN work and WILL work, but honestly is it worth it in comparison to a non clan with Wind jutsus and supply passives? Probably not.)

THAT'S JUST ONE CLAN, I'm done for now, bbl. ^^
Edited by Joequel, Dec 7 2010, 07:09 AM.
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Charle Tarquin
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It's my battle trait, son.
Don't even make me have to bring up the uselessness of the Haku clan. Only useful thing is the ice forming over water preventing you from losing chakra.
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Joequel
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Charle Tarquin
Dec 7 2010, 05:19 PM
Don't even make me have to bring up the uselessness of the Haku clan. Only useful thing is the ice forming over water preventing you from losing chakra.
IKR lmao.

Clans are almost to the point where they're not worth it in comparison to the non clans.

Sure you get a few extra unique moves, but are they really worth it?


Stat builds aren't really much anymore either. You only need to raise 1 skill for dealing damage, the rest usually is put into Strength for HP...
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tomodachi
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clans that are worth it: shin, naras, akis, gaara.
clans that are UP: clay
clans that are mega UP: haku

Ice needle: ever try to hit with it? HARD!

Ice explosion: suicide, whenever i use it, someon chidoris, or earth flows, ABs, and a lot of othe moves

Ice mirrors: you can run out of it, kawa out of it no problem, shunishin out of it, tank it. Its the only worthwhile skill for hakus, but it cost trait specials and 800 for needles, 1500 for explosion, and 2500 for mirrors. essentially 4800 for mirrors
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