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Problems with the Nara nerf; Not bashing it, because I like it, but there's a prob.
Topic Started: Nov 30 2010, 10:41 PM (2,174 Views)
Loki
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Oh the inescapable gates.

You mean when they kawa making you lose target on them, leaving them able to just hide or run around the whole map until gates wear off because there's no way you can track em?

Is that your best argument? I was beat by Nui?(Who?)

Now I didn't even understand the part you said I said you have to play a 3 CON(?) because the drain is far too much(?). I'm sorry for my ignorance, help us all by stating clearly your arguments, instead of assuming I'm unskilled and I fight this way or that way, it was very clear that you haven't even actually watched me play enough to make use of my play style as evidence, great shit talking there.
Edited by Loki, Dec 10 2010, 04:47 PM.
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Roi of Kingz
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You cant retarget? @_@ I usually get it back on before they take twos steps... but now that you mention it i smell an opportunity to expand tracking passives :) but watch no one else notice...
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Loki
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Not if they either kawa out of the screen or in a place there's others to target, which is what anyone with half a brain does.
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Roi of Kingz
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Not really 10 seconds doesn't allow a lot of running especially if the you're hitting A. More importantly why would you gate next to a group of people? Thats asking for an ass whooping. If you're teaming, why use gates? Kinda is supposed to be one of those "Ace in the Hole" things. I see where you're coming from but its kinda one of those draw backs that comes with all those small benefits of gates.
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Loki
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I know you're not very skilled and you may not understand it, but it is not very hard to get a gater away from you enough for you to kawa and run only enough for him to catch you and pop the kawa, just far enough for you to get away without being targetted.

And it is not "a small drawback", it is a way to completely nullify gates.
Edited by Loki, Dec 10 2010, 04:59 PM.
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Roi of Kingz
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Right...The guy who needs 20k stamina and 1k punches with auto teleports says Im unskilled. Understood! I definitely see the problem now cause escaping a gate user should be impossible with or without lag. *Guy pose* (It would be Lee's pose but he gets his ass beat by people who wait for his gates to end before they crush him. Wat a newb l0lz!)
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Espock
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Careful, Loki. He might deem your opinion unworthy and punish you with a ban.




Also, I agree with Loki.
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Loki
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Yes, go ahead and pretend you're not bad and that you don't know I've been acknowledged as a player above average through all wipes, including at the times Youth was terribly underpowered, when I endured through it and still managed to be way above average.

You are mediocre at best, I know that, and so do you and almost everyone in GOA, and you know very well, as well as everyone who played throught 1st and 2nd wipe, that I don't need to be OP to wreck top level players.
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Monster of Cha

Can't reck me :) lol
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Roi of Kingz
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Ah who acknowledged you? Those guys who are over on tbv? Right... You can opt to be the top shit as much as you want but Im just going to stick to my 1 con Nara. Just don't complain about people being able to gaara gank gates just because you as an elite youth are having difficulty with them. Everyone has problems with runners (unless Im running from you then I promise that you will catch me b/c my character is fat). You can get in a fight and haul ass from anyone. In the case of gates, the none youths seem to be having fun with them and doing pretty well with those "small benefits" (<- yeah the one phrase in the sentence you completely misread in your third post on page 3).
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Loki
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To begin with, I don't know what tbv means. Now, I didn't say I'm "top level", I knew you'd understand it that way because you are so biased, but I only said I'm above average, and you're just lying to yourself when you deny that.

Gaara gank gates?(Wtf?)

Problems with runners were never mentioned here, keep talking out of your ass. *Now looking back, I take 'runners' as those who run away from the fight, if you're talking about how they go off screen when they make you lose target while you're in gates, that's in no way similar to when they run from someone in a normal state, simply because gates deal wounds to you constantly, have a time limit and one of the longest c/d in the game, but I thought that was common sense and I wouldn't need to say it, specially to someone who plays this game as long as you do.

And I didn't misread anything, you said it was just a "drawback", I answered that the complete nullification of gates is not a "small drawback".

Did I not cover anything?

*Edit
Edited by Loki, Dec 10 2010, 07:05 PM.
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Dipic
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To chime in on the kawa untarget, it wouldn't be that big of a deal if NPCs weren't selected when using long range targeting.
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Roi of Kingz
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I didnt say it was a small draw back you're acting as if I dont comprehend how devastating it could be to a youth but I care less because youths aren't the only ones using gates 1-5. Gaara gank = someone using defensive tactics against a gate user to survive long enough to gank his ass when his gates fail. Gaara vs Lee... Gaara would win after whoring his sand armor while taking massive damage from lee then crushing his leg when his gates ended... If you havent noticed if they didnt run then kawa untargetting wouldn't be a problem or do they not "enough for you to kawa and run only enough for him to catch you and pop the kawa, just far enough for you to get away without being targeted." Are they walking away or just hiding next to where they reappeared at?
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Loki
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Again, i automatically take "runner" for those who are just trying to run away from the fight, if my bias led me to misunderstand what you said, then I'm sorry.

What I meant was just staying off screen, while the gater doesn't have you targetted, some run, some walk, some crawl, it doesn't matter, it's just not the same problem everyone else has, it's worse on gaters(not just Youth) for obvious reasons(I've stated on my last post).

Now the "gaara gank" isn't even a reality in the current state of the game, the gater is most vulnerable when he is in gates, for a few reasons:

1- Gate 2 will f you up to 200 wounds
2 - Gater will be most likely right in front of you most of the time
3 - 20k stamina is nothing considering how much damage any CON user can deal in a matter of seconds(and that is SO f'ed up)
4 - Can't use chakra

The only viable (somewhat)defensive tactic against a gater would be the kawa trick and run away forever while untargeted, and that sounds nothing like a "gaara" gank(or fair at all).
Edited by Loki, Dec 10 2010, 07:32 PM.
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Gatlocke
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I dont get why everyone thinks 10 seconds Kawa update is so short. How about you count to yourself up to 10 seconds and see how long it is, I myself dont see any problem with it.

Why does everyone say Sand Users and Naras are so OPed....... if we fight anyone who actually has half a brain they would instantly think sand is following me ( May not always be the sand burial coming but better safe than sorry) Better set a kawa NOW or Shit shadow is after me better set kawa before he catches me ( if you cant outrun it, which most of the time you can).
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Seventeen
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I thought I stated that I'd prefer if no trolls commented my posts, Loki and Espock are trolls, maybe not on other topics, but this one; please refrain from admitting anymore input.

Also to your complaint, utilize the new targeting system.



EDIT: If you are scared of con users while in Gates, don't use it while they are around, it was your choice to use gates in a certain situation, you will either benefit or face the repercussions. Another thing, it is to my knowledge that you needle spam so I'd ask if you would also refrain from talk of what skill is, because when you threw those first needles in rapid succession you opted out of the "pro-player" category.
Edited by Seventeen, Dec 10 2010, 07:52 PM.
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Roi of Kingz
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Well you kinda did say that people running around the map waiting for gates to wear off was a problem... So Im going to continue to believe the gg exists :) and is used as a defense. None youths and some youths just turn their gates off then use their jutsu (probably fuutons) when people try ggs. Not much fixing the limited abilities in gates without benefiting the wrong people or limiting gate use or adding something can only be used in gates...
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Loki
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Only a problem when they do they kawa trick for you to lose target, which is abusive. In that situation you're simply forced to turn off gates, it's not one option, it's the only option.

Now disagreeing =/= trolling. Don't go to a discussion forum if you're gonna call a troll the first person that outsmarts you.
Edited by Loki, Dec 10 2010, 08:15 PM.
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Seventeen
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There are ALWAYS options in life, ALWAYS. (the same goes for a online game)
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Andre'

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Dec 10 2010, 06:03 PM
Yes, go ahead and pretend you're not bad and that you don't know I've been acknowledged as a player above average through all wipes, including at the times Youth was terribly underpowered, when I endured through it and still managed to be way above average.

You are mediocre at best, I know that, and so do you and almost everyone in GOA, and you know very well, as well as everyone who played throught 1st and 2nd wipe, that I don't need to be OP to wreck top level players.
1st wipe you was okay average at best i remember you being what 5th best Youth ? but barely above average.

2nd wipe you wasn't shit so wrecking top lvl players i thinks not. when you talk about top lvl players last wipe there wasn't that many except in Sound and Rain but i doubt you could beat anyone in sound or the opness of a Rain hoecake so..... what did you wreck last wipe ?

im not trying to bash you but you can atleast tell the truth. Roi has always been crap there is no need to rub it in his face.
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Loki
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By the end of 1st wipe I could put up a fight to absolutely anyone, and on 2nd wipe even tho Youth was terribly underpowered I proved how good I was on 'early wipe' period, when I was easily top 5 for a long time, now by 'late wipe' I couldn't really be on par with people who were abusing GM powers to powerlevel, EZing and still with how underpowered Youth was, but still I was pretty decent and still above average.

And you're just a troll anyways.
Edited by Loki, Dec 10 2010, 11:04 PM.
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Andre'

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Dec 10 2010, 11:03 PM
By the end of 1st wipe I could put up a fight to absolutely anyone, and on 2nd wipe even tho Youth was terribly underpowered I proved how good I was on 'early wipe' period, when I was easily top 5 for a long time, now by 'late wipe' I couldn't really be on par with people who were abusing GM powers to powerlevel, EZing and still with how underpowered Youth was, but still I was pretty decent and still above average.

And you're just a troll anyways.
me being a troll doesn't matter i know the truth and the truth is you really didn't amount to anything compared to the best of the best 1st and 2nd wipe.

1st wipe, even i could easily beat you at the end of that wipe(even when i was lvl 60) with out getting koed and there was probably about 10 people better then me at the time...

2nd wipe, you was only the top 5 because of you and the suna failures lvl grinding but that only lasted 2 weeks and personally i dont think 2 weeks is a long time. once alot of people including myself was your lvl you could only handle me by teaming.

if above average is on Roi, DeathclaW and Sipher last wipe average then i guess but Bet, Kash and even myself skill wise you was nothing but a noob.

im a Troll :D ... a Troll thats better then you :o
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Loki
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Not even 5% of what you said is true, have fun lying around.

You know, you used to be good at trolling me back in the day, pretty much the reason people called me the "Panda Rage", but you've somehow managed to get so much worse at it, it's not even fun.
Edited by Loki, Dec 11 2010, 02:22 AM.
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Monster of Cha

Loki last whipe when me (on main) an kai aswell as gatsu beast hattori and lee would post up in cha you would NEVER pass by.... You were shit last whipe.... The first whipe ill give it to you; you were "decent" but nothing a "real" player couldn't handle, and this wipe your just like every other youth, spams needles, runs around, used a bit of tai, and then gates up for the 20k stamina...... Now a days youths aren't shit.
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Andre'

Monster of cha pretty much verified 100% of what i said is true. Loki you give yourself to much credit for achievements that was far above your capabilities, as a person that was there both wipes i can expose you, you sucked ass >BOTH< wipes.
Monster of Cha may say you was Decent first wipe but me seeing as i beat you everytime we ever clashed swords you wasn't nothing great just Suna Trash just like the rest of the kazeranger failures.(mind you i also beat all of them aswell)
its true i raped you every wipe with either Gen spam(Uchiha Kai) or Bone Harden Tank/Bone Sword Spam(Kaguya, Kai) theres no reason to ignore the truth.

you talked about Roi sucking but you are on the same level as his suckiness, barely above average if not that.(Not trying to bash Roi but Nara 3wipes straight and crappy builds every single time ? come on) Roi actually koed my Kaguya a few times... something you couldn't do even if you tried.
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