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Exalted OOC thread; For the specific game or Exalted in general
Topic Started: Nov 10 2011, 06:36 PM (6,242 Views)
Dietaku
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Dietaku
Mar 18 2012, 11:41 PM
Kesler
Mar 16 2012, 04:27 PM
...I thought there would be more, to be honest. And DBs are really screwed now that all exalts can make organic combos. Do you guys want to switch to use the errata, or keep with vanilla 2ed?
Fuck DBs. (Seriously, fuck them. They're pretty hot, and we must perpetuate the blood of the Dragons) but if their giant empires, world-wide faith which celebrates their very existence, amazing artifact backgrounds, which arguably are trumped only by that of the Alchemicals, who are also artifacts themselves and a set of celestial martial arts which synergize better than certain Celestial's hero styles do with their native charms (Looking at you, Lunars), aren't good enough, then them not having ONOEZ I CAN USE ANY CHARMS I WANT, as their unique feature? Pfeh, I think they'll live.

But, yeah. I definitely think that these fixes are well-needed. We actually tried them out in an IRL game this weekend, and while it was pretty harrowing, as the Solar of our group decided to take on a outpost of DBs by himself, the toughness of Celestials won out under these new rulings.

Good Lord, my grammar was atrocious in that post. Edited for clarity, and thanks to everyone for rolling with my slapdash, "SENTENCE STRUCTURE? WAZZAT? posting recently.

Anyways, y'all, after looking over the Lunar charmset and to a lesser extent, the Sidereal charmsets, and I'm realizing that these are not really well suited to the tasks set before them during the Primoridal war. Lunars fight in a berserker-esque fashion, which is not conducive to being a bodyguard or leader of armies, while the sidereal's sneaky charmset isn't well suited to being an advisor to kings. While,uI understand that the Mask breaking altered this, and the 2.5 Errata altered many Sidereal charms to be applicable to Gods and ghosts, which makes them better in many regards and more fluffy in their use, but still. So, what does everyone think about this? What went wrong? Is there any ways to reconcile the two, as I do enjoy Viking-Lunars as they are now, but it just doesn't gel.
Edited by Dietaku, Mar 21 2012, 08:57 PM.
"I believe that normal has been left behind some time ago, my good man."
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Kesler
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Looking through MoEP: Lunars, the only charms that actually say that the lunars become RAEG KEEL BEESTs are the Relentless Lunar Fury tree (Okay, Deadly Beastman helps too). Everything else is "I become fast as a wolf!" or "I shape my arms so I can hit you farther away!". I think the problem is that because the Lunars are barbarians now, people connect their charms to savageness, and then connect that savageness to Primordial War and First Age Lunars. I admit that I'm guilty of that too. BUT trying to get past that now, Lunars with their current charmset make excellent Bodyguards and Stewards. Think about it: Their easiest to get and best defense charms are all soaks. Why? So they can interpose themselves between danger and their wards and live to do it again. Plus, Lunars get the easiest access to a perfect social defense that I can think of. And as a Steward? Their society charms may take forever to make a society, but excel at keeping a society together. Compare Solar charms, which make societies really easily, but have them fall apart as soon as the Solar leaves. No, Lunars do what they were meant to do well. It's just that people can't separate how they are now with how they were then (Again, guilty myself).

And Sidereals... it's a stretch, but you could argue that their "I am the invisible hand" charms that they use now COULD be used to try to get Solars to do things without realizing they've been manipulated. The lack of high-essence social charms kind of keeps that from working, though. But, as our own resident Vizier just pointed out in the game, Astrology is another one of the Viziers' power, that works better with subtle manipulation than overt workings.
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Hm, you make a good point, but I think, looking at the book now, that it is horribly slanted towards that ideology anyways for two reasons. Firstly, Lunars originally were where oWorld of Darkness Werewolves (More or less Hippy Ecoterrorists who could summon spirits and had access to DBT in all its awesome glory in a MUCH lmore low-powered universe) came from. Also, being an exalt type who gains powers literally from "Eat their heart, gain their strength," doesn't lend itself well to 'Being nice" or at least in the ways that Solars can. Thus, as it is, it's hard to justify or play an erudite, sophisticated Lunar without either pissing off a number of your fellows or having a lax taste for murder, due to the necessity for Prey's Skin Disguise in such an environment.

Alright, so, here's a hypotheitcal situation:

A Solar attempts to climb Qaf, the mount without base or summit. However, Qaf, as stated before, HAS no top to reach (Being a bizarre literal metaphor for Enlightenement, Sidereal or otherwise), can a Solar, in spite of being a paragon of supernatural excellence, achieve this end literally?
"I believe that normal has been left behind some time ago, my good man."
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Kayen
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So, just a thought I had, Kesler, but I don't have any way to improve on my current skills at Necromancy. So, would I be able to do so intriniscally, or would I have to put on airs and enter the "Service" of a Deathlord to do so? Not that I'm against the thought of angering another Deathlord, but it would be inconvenient.
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Kesler
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Dietaku
Mar 22 2012, 01:09 PM
Alright, so, here's a hypotheitcal situation:

A Solar attempts to climb Qaf, the mount without base or summit. However, Qaf, as stated before, HAS no top to reach (Being a bizarre literal metaphor for Enlightenement, Sidereal or otherwise), can a Solar, in spite of being a paragon of supernatural excellence, achieve this end literally?
Yes, and he'll find Lilike hanging out at the top.
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Kayen
Mar 25 2012, 10:07 PM
So, just a thought I had, Kesler, but I don't have any way to improve on my current skills at Necromancy. So, would I be able to do so intriniscally, or would I have to put on airs and enter the "Service" of a Deathlord to do so? Not that I'm against the thought of angering another Deathlord, but it would be inconvenient.
Wellll....

You wouldn't be able learn necromancy intrinsically, since it lacks a Salinian working. But that doesn't mean you have to submit to a deathlord. There are some independent schools of necromancy that you could enroll in, plus there's the SP and BoD's troves of necromantic lore. And there's no shortage of tomes of necromantic knowledge from the First Age you could find. Then there's the potential of summoning the ghost of a necromancer to serve as a mentor. But all of these would only help you with Shadowlands, and maybe a bit of Labyrinth if you found a First Age Solar's necromancy notes. Getting higher level necromancy would require the knowledge of the deathlords, neverborn or some strong abyssals.
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Mar 26 2012, 12:27 PM
Dietaku
Mar 22 2012, 01:09 PM
Alright, so, here's a hypotheitcal situation:

A Solar attempts to climb Qaf, the mount without base or summit. However, Qaf, as stated before, HAS no top to reach (Being a bizarre literal metaphor for Enlightenement, Sidereal or otherwise), can a Solar, in spite of being a paragon of supernatural excellence, achieve this end literally?
Yes, and he'll find Lilike hanging out at the top.
Wait, what? There's a hekatonkhire hanging out on top of Qaf?
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Dietaku
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Ryodan
Mar 26 2012, 10:28 PM
Kesler
Mar 26 2012, 12:27 PM
Dietaku
Mar 22 2012, 01:09 PM
Alright, so, here's a hypotheitcal situation:

A Solar attempts to climb Qaf, the mount without base or summit. However, Qaf, as stated before, HAS no top to reach (Being a bizarre literal metaphor for Enlightenement, Sidereal or otherwise), can a Solar, in spite of being a paragon of supernatural excellence, achieve this end literally?
Yes, and he'll find Lilike hanging out at the top.
Wait, what? There's a hekatonkhire hanging out on top of Qaf?
HAHAHA! Lilike didn't die, it seems. She went home.

What, then was the song of her Death cry?

My best bet is this. It seems insane enough that Adrian would do that in her pained moments of crippling.
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Dietaku
Mar 26 2012, 11:12 PM
Ryodan
Mar 26 2012, 10:28 PM
Kesler
Mar 26 2012, 12:27 PM
Dietaku
Mar 22 2012, 01:09 PM
Alright, so, here's a hypotheitcal situation:

A Solar attempts to climb Qaf, the mount without base or summit. However, Qaf, as stated before, HAS no top to reach (Being a bizarre literal metaphor for Enlightenement, Sidereal or otherwise), can a Solar, in spite of being a paragon of supernatural excellence, achieve this end literally?
Yes, and he'll find Lilike hanging out at the top.
Wait, what? There's a hekatonkhire hanging out on top of Qaf?
HAHAHA! Lilike didn't die, it seems. She went home.

What, then was the song of her Death cry?

My best bet is this. It seems insane enough that Adrian would do that in her pained moments of crippling.
OH GAWD WHY?

Well, that's the only song that makes sense as the Demon Wracking Shout.
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Jeff
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The best song to go Demon-Hunting too. FACT.
"It's cogerent. ... That's coherent and cogent at the same time," ~Dietaku
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