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| Tweet Topic Started: Wed 8 Jul 2009, 15:46:57 (606 Views) | |
| Thomas Sheirbrooke | Wed 8 Jul 2009, 15:46:57 Post #1 |
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How do you get elected Senator? That might seem like a silly question, but I believe that at this time a state's Senators were picked by the state legislatures or something. So would a campaign effectively just consist of trying to woo them? |
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| Battle | Wed 8 Jul 2009, 17:02:58 Post #2 |
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This is a concern of mine, as well. |
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Valentine Battle Speaker of the House of Representatives Member of the House of Representatives Chairman of the Federalist Party Maryland Federalist | |
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| Will | Wed 8 Jul 2009, 17:41:19 Post #3 |
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certainly some things cannot be historically accurate while we try our best at creating an historically accurate sim. Perhaps suggestions on how to create Senators. |
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| Battle | Wed 8 Jul 2009, 17:46:10 Post #4 |
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My suggestion would be to allow the election of Governors. The Governors would then submit the names of an individual to the state legislature, who would then consider the person. At this point, other individuals in the state could submit their names to the legislature for consideration, and have to give speeches and such in front of the legislature. You could then use a combination of legislature make-up, gubernatorial popularity, and quality of statements to determine who becomes Senator. |
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| Bruce Tedder | Wed 8 Jul 2009, 18:30:21 Post #5 |
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That's actually not a bad idea. Senators during this time period were not even close to as important as Governors. |
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| Battle | Wed 8 Jul 2009, 18:32:57 Post #6 |
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Indeed. It's no coincidence that the first Senator elected President (James Monroe) was a Governor before he became President. |
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| Will | Wed 8 Jul 2009, 18:33:54 Post #7 |
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so much for my hope of a Bicameral Legislation.. Heh. Suppose we could do it the AGS way pretty much having Senators appointed.. Wouldn't go as far as having them all vote at once on the same bill |
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| Battle | Wed 8 Jul 2009, 18:36:16 Post #8 |
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They aren't appointed on AGS. They have to run in elections. And I think appointment is a bit of a stretch. It could just be used to serve as an indicator of the popularity of the Governor and all that, and give someone a boost if they can't become Governor or join the Cabinet (both of which were more prestigious at this time). |
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| Will | Wed 8 Jul 2009, 18:37:43 Post #9 |
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AGS currently has about 12 Senators (If I remember correctly... 8 were appointed to their roles) |
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| Bruce Tedder | Wed 8 Jul 2009, 18:38:22 Post #10 |
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Honestly, there's nothing saying that we can't have a player House, Senate, and Governors eventually. For now, however, I would recommend we stick to the House and Governors with Maia simulating the Senate. |
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| Will | Wed 8 Jul 2009, 18:40:37 Post #11 |
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sure give us more to discuss.. LOL tho I do see validity in the need for Govs. |
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| Battle | Wed 8 Jul 2009, 18:40:54 Post #12 |
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Many may have been appointed, and that's a fault of the current system, but everyone that is a Senator either was elected or followed someone that was elected to the spot. Having been a Senator on AGS three seperate times, I should know. |
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| T-Schultz | Wed 8 Jul 2009, 22:59:38 Post #13 |
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Why not just have the admins RP the state legislature and pick someone? At this point there probably won't be a lot of competition anyhow. |
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| Edward Ward | Wed 8 Jul 2009, 23:00:38 Post #14 |
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This. The Senate could be easily simulated using numbers based on the governors. Additionally, we have fifteen states with Tennessee quickly on the way, we aren't big enough yet to have a Senate (unless we do regions, and no one likes that), Governors, and a functioning house. Governors are more important in this era, so they ought to get the nod. Besides, at this time, the Senate was basically a place to stick your elder statesmen when you weren't using them rather than something that was really aspired to. It would probably be more accurate as a primarily NPC body that occasionally we stick old and loyal players in. |
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| Thomas Sheirbrooke | Wed 8 Jul 2009, 23:01:10 Post #15 |
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I suppose I would prefer a more express concentration on the House before we decide to expand to other branches of government, especially for newer games... it's important to get the foundations down before overreaching... but I just I'd just note for the purposes of it, Senators, if we were to have a Senate, would eventually rise in importance and you do have some important Senators from this time and just a little after it like Daniel Webster, Calhoun, etc. The Senate's traditional role has always been more of a tradition preserving and conservative body, and I think as we move towards maybe the integration of more modern ideas into this 1790's world (which will inevitably happen... someone'll call for an end to slavery, etc), it might be important.... Bah! I was reading what I wrote and its just rambling
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| Edward Ward | Wed 8 Jul 2009, 23:14:23 Post #16 |
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And I'll beat them with a cane.
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| Will | Wed 8 Jul 2009, 23:25:49 Post #17 |
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I agree with Sheirbrook |
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| Battle | Thu 9 Jul 2009, 00:24:20 Post #18 |
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Yeah, but a lot of the 'modern ideas' were already in place. For example, we're eleven years from the outright ban of importing slaves, and the abolitionist movement took off like crazy in the 1790s, so to say it's 'modern' is a bid of a fallacy. John Adams went around to all of his friends from his time in the Presidency and begged them to free their slaves, after all. But yes, Senate should be something we should implement, but until we make some actual amendments to the Constitution and such, the Governors should be the focus. |
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| Thomas Sheirbrooke | Thu 9 Jul 2009, 00:37:04 Post #19 |
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Well, I don't know. I think the abolitionist movement didn’t pick up steam until like the middle bits of the 2nd Great Awakening (provided I guess it was supposed to be slowly faded out, but I don’t think you had active abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison), and I think at this time you have the cotton gin being invented upping the demand and acceptability of the usage of slavery. |
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| Battle | Thu 9 Jul 2009, 00:52:13 Post #20 |
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Well slavery wasn't originally used for cotton, but tobacco. There was a fall in the usage of tobacco in the 1750s that continued for quite a while, and it caused a loss of support for slavery, especially as it became less profitable. Then cotton came around and revitalized the institution, which kept it going pretty strong until the 1860s. Just to put this in context, the first anti-slavery pamphlet published in the Americas was in 1688, and in 1776 the Quakers banned their members from having slaves, followed shortly by Pennsylvania in 1780. Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, and Benjamin Rush all dedicated themselves to the cause of emancipation, with many of Paine's early articles devoted to that topic. The abolition of slavery in New York (1799) was a movement spearheaded by the unlikely alliance of Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, and Aaron Burr. In the years after the American Revolution, the number of free blacks in Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware increased from one percent to ten percent, all because of slave owners voluntarily freeing their slaves. In 1791, a single American plantation owner freed over four hundred slaves, the single largest freeing conducted by a single man. We can attribute this to the Great Awakening, but the vast majority of these incidents would have happened right at the very beginning of the movement, and such movements were also going on in places where the Second Great Awakening was not a movement, and many areas greatly affected by the Second Great Awakening remained firmly in the slaver column until the end of the Civil War. It was a movement that started well before the Second Great Awakening, and it's not a 'modern idea' in any sense. Even the ancient Jews released their slaves every forty years. |
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