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The NYT sure does get things wrong alot of times.
Topic Started: Jun 18 2018, 02:26 AM (240 Views)
ImaHeadaU
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Jun 19 2018, 12:45 AM
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I am aware of my liberal bias and would welcome a different point of view as long as it isn't 'alternative facts.'
"I" is the person speaking.
"Am aware of my liberal bias" shows that the person speaking knows that he has a "liberal bias."
"Would welcome a different point of view" indicates that the person speaking is open to exposing him/herself to a "point of view" different from his/her own.
"As long as it isn't "alternative facts" indicates that he/she doesn't welcome different points of view that are based upon false assumptions.

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So anything he disagrees with is alternative facts.

If you honestly believe that is what this person has said, you are very much mistaken.

There used to be a fine tradition of good conservative media sources in the U.S.. I don't see much that fits that bill anymore. However, the long list of media outlets I posted earlier does produce some fine commentary from conservative writers.
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That is exactly what he indicated, just as you did in your last post.

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Jun 19 2018, 09:13 AM
That is exactly what he indicated, just as you did in your last post.
I'm surprised that you would view "alternative facts" so negatively since it was coined by a current White House representative.

Still, if you don't seem to be able to follow simple grammar and/or sentence structure, we shouldn't be surprised that you don't recognize a White House catch phrase. It was used to attempt to cover a false statement.

The person referenced above was saying that he wanted to expose himself to different perspectives so long as they are not based upon false statements.
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And HE would be the one deciding if they are false statements. Just as I said originally.


One more insult like that from you and I will start returning them in spades.

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Jun 19 2018, 12:04 AM
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Jun 18 2018, 08:08 PM
I clicked on your link but didn't find anything relevant to "bias." Perhaps I just missed it.
Perhaps you missed this part.
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Another friend writes, "Trump's attacks on the free media has me spooked and I want to support the media somehow. At the same time, I am aware of my liberal bias and would welcome a different point of view as long as it isn't 'alternative facts.' Any suggestions for good publications to subscribe to? I already have subscriptions to the [Washington] Post, [New York] Times and [Wall Street] Journal."

I am heartened by questions like these. A major shift in political and cultural life in our country means it is a good time for people to improve their own reading and learning habits. The Poynter Institute - an enlightened non-profit in St. Petersburg, Fla., that has an ownership role in the Tampa Bay Times and provides research, training and educational resources on journalism - provides many excellent online modules to help citizens improve their news media literacy.

In the post-post truth age (that is, an age where one has to work hard to be media literate and find the truthful sources of information), citizens should support local and regional publications that hew to ethical journalism standards and cover local government entities. In my corner of Long Island, that means I read (and sometimes write for) the Great Neck News and the chain of local newspapers to which it belongs. This year, I also plan to subscribe to Newsday, which is the largest paper that covers Long Island. I would urge citizens to subscribe to their local newspapers as well. This action helps these organizations employ journalists who attend city hall meetings, school board meetings and police precincts to report on how your tax-dollars are being spent, how your constitutional rights are being safeguarded, and to serve as watch dogs on how well your elected officials are serving you.

Realizing that millions more people are scratching their heads, wondering what to read and where to spend their subscription dollars, here are my top 10 large journalistic brands where I believe you can most often find real, reported facts:


You are right. When I clicked on you link all I got was "We’re Celebrating The Stories Of Students Who Beat The Odds And Made It To College! and titles like it that didn't have much to do with implying that facts are truth when all the fact aren't presented.

As far as what I highlighted above, the "student" apparently has never seen the "free media's" constant attacks on Trump since before he stepped into the Oval Office. If the "free media" has a right to attack, why not the President?" I am concerned with that fact... but perhaps I am biased.



Ensuring that media outlets report the truth is the best way to avoid bias in reporting.

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I mean, you don't have to be a Nobel Journalistic Prize winner to see/hear it. Obvious is obvious... sort of like "“He’s not ever going to become president, right? Right?!’ Page wrote to Strzok. Strzok responded: “No. No he’s not. We’ll stop it,” is obviously a "fact" that is biased for stopping more than it is for helping.. and in an official capacity. I mean, the people know. When the bias is that obvious, they know.... no matter the spin.


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I don`t believe that I am following your line of thought. I agree that reporting the above text exchange is reporting fact but I don't see any bias in such reporting. The two individuals involved in the exchange are not journalists.

It means what it says. It relates to what I wrote above that quote in my post. If all the facts aren't reported, you can't say it's truth. If certain facts are purposely left out, what else can it be besides the author's bias. I included what Strzok, the Chief of the Counterespionage Section of the FBI and his girlfriend had to say as biased intent by a federal (FBI) official to prevent someone (anyone) from fairly becoming the president of the United States. Some would call it treason, but it's at the very least, biased (IMO), but apparently not the opinion of the IG report members..... which also may be example of bias. (again IMO).
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Jun 19 2018, 08:15 PM
ImaHeadaU
Jun 19 2018, 12:04 AM
Banandangees
Jun 18 2018, 08:08 PM
I clicked on your link but didn't find anything relevant to "bias." Perhaps I just missed it.
Perhaps you missed this part.
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Another friend writes, "Trump's attacks on the free media has me spooked and I want to support the media somehow. At the same time, I am aware of my liberal bias and would welcome a different point of view as long as it isn't 'alternative facts.' Any suggestions for good publications to subscribe to? I already have subscriptions to the [Washington] Post, [New York] Times and [Wall Street] Journal."

I am heartened by questions like these. A major shift in political and cultural life in our country means it is a good time for people to improve their own reading and learning habits. The Poynter Institute - an enlightened non-profit in St. Petersburg, Fla., that has an ownership role in the Tampa Bay Times and provides research, training and educational resources on journalism - provides many excellent online modules to help citizens improve their news media literacy.

In the post-post truth age (that is, an age where one has to work hard to be media literate and find the truthful sources of information), citizens should support local and regional publications that hew to ethical journalism standards and cover local government entities. In my corner of Long Island, that means I read (and sometimes write for) the Great Neck News and the chain of local newspapers to which it belongs. This year, I also plan to subscribe to Newsday, which is the largest paper that covers Long Island. I would urge citizens to subscribe to their local newspapers as well. This action helps these organizations employ journalists who attend city hall meetings, school board meetings and police precincts to report on how your tax-dollars are being spent, how your constitutional rights are being safeguarded, and to serve as watch dogs on how well your elected officials are serving you.

Realizing that millions more people are scratching their heads, wondering what to read and where to spend their subscription dollars, here are my top 10 large journalistic brands where I believe you can most often find real, reported facts:


You are right. When I clicked on you link all I got was "We’re Celebrating The Stories Of Students Who Beat The Odds And Made It To College! and titles like it that didn't have much to do with implying that facts are truth when all the fact aren't presented.

As far as what I highlighted above, the "student" apparently has never seen the "free media's" constant attacks on Trump since before he stepped into the Oval Office. If the "free media" has a right to attack, why not the President?" I am concerned with that fact... but perhaps I am biased.



Ensuring that media outlets report the truth is the best way to avoid bias in reporting.

You:
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I mean, you don't have to be a Nobel Journalistic Prize winner to see/hear it. Obvious is obvious... sort of like "“He’s not ever going to become president, right? Right?!’ Page wrote to Strzok. Strzok responded: “No. No he’s not. We’ll stop it,” is obviously a "fact" that is biased for stopping more than it is for helping.. and in an official capacity. I mean, the people know. When the bias is that obvious, they know.... no matter the spin.


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I don`t believe that I am following your line of thought. I agree that reporting the above text exchange is reporting fact but I don't see any bias in such reporting. The two individuals involved in the exchange are not journalists.

It means what it says. It relates to what I wrote above that quote in my post. If all the facts aren't reported, you can't say it's truth. If certain facts are purposely left out, what else can it be besides the author's bias.
Whenever you tell a story you have to leave out facts to make it a focused readable, listenable or viewable product. When a news camera person chooses to shoot an individual, would you want to see everything 360 degrees around that individual as well as the sky above and the ground underfoot? Would you want to know how long the individual has been in that location and how he/she had been found and contacted? There are would be an endless list of facts that don't particularly bring any useful information to the story. As well, no matter how hard you try you will never have all the facts.

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I included what Strzok, the Chief of the Counterespionage Section of the FBI and his girlfriend had to say as biased intent by a federal (FBI) official to prevent someone (anyone) from fairly becoming the president of the United States. Some would call it treason, but it's at the very least, biased (IMO), but apparently not the opinion of the IG report members..... which also may be example of bias. (again IMO).

I agree that the conversation shows bias but it doesn't give enough information to determine what actual intent was anticipated. Still, that bias has no bearing on journalistic bias which I believe this thread is about.

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Still, that bias has no bearing on journalistic bias which I believe this thread is about.



That is not correct. It was about the NYT getting things wrong more than it should.



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Jun 20 2018, 03:28 AM

You:
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I included what Strzok, the Chief of the Counterespionage Section of the FBI and his girlfriend had to say as biased intent by a federal (FBI) official to prevent someone (anyone) from fairly becoming the president of the United States. Some would call it treason, but it's at the very least, biased (IMO), but apparently not the opinion of the IG report members..... which also may be example of bias. (again IMO).

I agree that the conversation shows bias but it doesn't give enough information to determine what actual intent was anticipated. Still, that bias has no bearing on journalistic bias which I believe this thread is about.


Apparently Strzok's word doesn't mean anything.
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Jun 20 2018, 06:56 AM
ImaHeadaU
Jun 20 2018, 03:28 AM

You:
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I included what Strzok, the Chief of the Counterespionage Section of the FBI and his girlfriend had to say as biased intent by a federal (FBI) official to prevent someone (anyone) from fairly becoming the president of the United States. Some would call it treason, but it's at the very least, biased (IMO), but apparently not the opinion of the IG report members..... which also may be example of bias. (again IMO).

I agree that the conversation shows bias but it doesn't give enough information to determine what actual intent was anticipated. Still, that bias has no bearing on journalistic bias which I believe this thread is about.


Apparently Strzok's word doesn't mean anything.
I have to confess that I don't follow you.

Re. Strzok, I take his texts to mean that he anticipated that the electorate would stop Donald Trump. Others will have alternate guesses. Still, I don't see what his texts have to do with the New York Times or other reliable sources of journalism and where to get differing perspectives that are free of false information.
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Still, that bias has no bearing on journalistic bias which I believe this thread is about.

That is not correct. It was about the NYT getting things wrong more than it should.
We only know that the New York Times makes mistakes because it makes corrections. I will trust a news source that makes corrections over one that doesn't.
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