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| Meanwhile checking in with the democrats; no wonder the liberals here want to focus on Trump | |
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| Pat | Jun 16 2018, 03:54 AM Post #1 |
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It sounds like there will be a 2nd Trump win followed by Pence for 8 years. Or another business leader. The socialists and democrats ar eon life support as a party. Clinton? Carter? "There's F**king No One Else"; DNC Strategist Laments Over Broken Party; "Bill Clinton Toxic, Carter Too Old" Fri, 06/15/2018 - 15:19 Following a Monday report that President Obama is "secretly" meeting with top Democratic contenders for the 2020 election, The Hill notes that desperate Democrats beset with Clinton fatigue are freaking out over the fact that the much "blue wave" appears to be crashing on the rocks, and there's nobody around to salvage the party ahead of midterms and the 2020 election. “There’s f---ing no one else,” one frustrated Democratic strategist said. “Bill Clinton is toxic, [former President] Carter is too old, and there’s no one else around for miles.” -The Hill In the hopes of reinvigorating the DNC (of which up to 40 state chapters stand accused of funneling up to $84 million to the Clinton campaign), downtrodden dems are hoping that Obama will get off the sidelines and help rally support. “He’s been way too quiet,” said one longtime Obama bundler who rarely criticizes the former president, according to The Hill. “There are a lot of people who think he’s played too little a role or almost no role in endorsing or fundraising and he’s done jack shit in getting people to donate to the party.” After the GOP made sweeping gains in the 2016 election, the DNC was left in disarray - and anyone who might be able to lead the party, be it Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren, may run in 2020. Bernie Sanders is of course out because he may run and he's not a Democrat. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) was among five possible contenders for the Democratic crown attending the “We the People” conference in Washington on Wednesday. He received the loudest and heard chants of “Bernie.” But he can’t play the elder role for the party, both because he may run for president and because he’s not a Democrat. Former Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), two other possibilities, have mass followings but also may join the 2020 race. -The Hill That leaves the spotlight squarely on Barrack Hussein Obama - whose lack of endorsements during the primary season and general absence has frustrated Democrats. Bill Clinton, who is more radioactive than ever after making ill-advised comments over "what you can do to somebody against their will," has endorsed several candidates since leaving office, yet Obama has declined to do the same thus far. “You have all these people running for office, some of them against other Democrats, and his strategy has been to not endorse anyone and that’s what’s been so f---ing ridiculous because not only are you not helping them, you’re hurting them,” said the bundler. Former aides and Democratic strategists said Obama has sought to maintain a lower profile not only for his party to find new life, but also to avoid playing a foil to President Trump and Republicans. A source close to Obama said the former president is looking forward to hitting the campaign trail, fundraising and issuing more endorsements closer to the midterms. But the source added that injecting himself into day-to-day politics would do the Democratic Party a disservice by making it more difficult for other Democratic voices to rise to prominence. -The Hill Others say that Obama has remained the unofficial leader of the Democratic Party since leaving office. “He always wanted to help, without a doubt. He cares tremendously about our country and our party. But I think he always intended to be a little more on the sidelines than he’s been,” said one former Obama aide. “I think he realizes he is needed and needed badly.” Former Obama aides say that the ex-President is unsettled by policies flowing from the Trump administration, along with the "tone and tenor" of the White House (but not enough to aggressively help active Democrats fight, apparently). According to Democratic strategist David Wade: “It’s certainly not the post-presidency he might’ve preferred.” Maybe Obama is just having a good time hanging out? |
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| Jim Miller | Jun 16 2018, 06:00 AM Post #2 |
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Obama is still trying to be relevant even after his failed presidency. |
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| ImaHeadaU | Jun 16 2018, 08:48 AM Post #3 |
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The best thing the Democratic party has going for it is the fact that Donald Trump is not its leader. |
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| Jim Miller | Jun 16 2018, 09:55 AM Post #4 |
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I agree. Trump would not fit in well with the party of hatred and failures. |
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| icy-woman | Jun 16 2018, 12:50 PM Post #5 |
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You don't need a democrat to beat Trump or Pence. I'll run if need be, I'm giving everyone a free car with the money I save from ending the wars and downsizing the police agencies with pay cuts for the ones left working. I'm also downsizing the jails and prisons. With a new law, if there is no injured party, there can be no crime. That should save a fortune alone. We will have to see how it goes before I can promise you all your own houses. At the very least, I should be able to make sure no one is homeless. This will start with city and community planning. |
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| Pat | Jun 16 2018, 11:16 PM Post #6 |
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Trump is doing a fantastic job cleaning up the mess the past administrations left him, but this is what business people do, solve problems and clean up messes. The country is booming and Americans of all stripes are winning. You would screw this up Icy if elected because from what I can tell, you are a big government socialist. The economy would collapse under your welfare plans. |
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| icy-woman | Jun 17 2018, 04:43 AM Post #7 |
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I don't know if I could do any better, but I doubt I could do any worse. I have not seen any improvement in things here on my level since Trump got in. But in his defense things have only gotten slightly worse. Given how people complain about him, I expected to see alot worse, perhaps it just hasn't reached down where I can see it yet. In any case what we have now don't work for me, or humanity. It's basically just the rich getting richer and closing oppertunites for the poor to climb up to their level, or even a livable status. Any president can create jobs that are temporary and don't pay a livable income. For many people working would make them even more poor, they would be getting less income. There is a need for change in the way we see and interpret money. I envision something similar to Star Trek, where people work for self satisfaction and money is no longer the prime motivator to get up and go to work. Trump never worked a day in his life where one by any stretch of the imagination could call it a hard days work, sweat blood and tears. No one needs 5 houses, 3 estates and 30 cars. I call that a waste. If we limit how wealthy people can be some of that wealth will make it to areas where it can be deemed more useful. No more the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. |
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| icy-woman | Jun 17 2018, 07:23 AM Post #8 |
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I want Trump to show me he deserves all that money he has. That he has done something, anything to earn it. So here's what I propose. We put him in some factory work, not hard by any means, a finishing line packer. the line moves slowly, we can adjust the speed but we will start slow. About half the speed that I have done it without any problems. BTW, I don't have a mansion and a fleet of cars, a private jet and my own elete club. OK, what he is doing is taking freshly painted products, wire products off the finishing line, These items were dipped in paint, went through an oven and up into the air past the spot welding area to where they get taken off the line and packed in boxes, 25 for some things, 50 for others to a box. Some items have to be wrapped in newspaper before they get packed. So the man has to know how to count, or at the very least be able to tell by how tightly packed if there are the correct amount in the box, before taping or tieing the box closed and stacking it with other boxes on a skid to be shipped. Typically, people who do this job well can afford to rent a house or an apartment, but don't own their own home. They might have a car, but it's not much of a car, or they might be taking the bus because their car broke down. We will allow Trump to keep one house and one car, his choice from the many he has, if he can do the work. Anyone can do this for a day, a week, lets have Trump do this for a year, one year. |
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