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Canada imposes tariffs.
Topic Started: Jun 8 2018, 10:59 PM (698 Views)
Berton
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Yes, a very big Oops.
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Pat
Jun 15 2018, 12:51 AM
Brewster
Jun 14 2018, 09:49 AM
Berton
Jun 14 2018, 09:47 AM
No, the President wants a fair trade deal. No more, no less. You on the other hand want to keep sucking on the US teat.

I could use stronger language, but I will just point out that there are absolutely no facts that back up your case.

Your government is subsidizing farmers, ours doesn't do that. We have to equalize the playing field.

Cut the subsidies, and we'll consider cutting the tariffs. Fair is fair.
I thought you wanted to have honest discussions. Of course Canada subsidizes agriculture, why lie?

http://business.financialpost.com/opinion/tpp-pressures-canada-on-ag-subsidies
You didn't actually read the article, did you Pat?

Only once in that article does it say Canada pays out agriculture subsidies, and those three tiny funds have absolutely nothing to do with anything we've been talking about so far. In fact, they're so minuscule I didn't know they existed.

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Canada’s annual subsidies report to the WTO lists only three federal agriculture programs involving direct payments to producers: two for the hog industry and one for grape growers under the Orchards and Vineyards Transition Program.
If you drop all your Billion$ in subsidies, I'm sure Trudeau wouldn't think twice before dropping our little bits.

I'd be very much on favour, and I'd even be ready to write a letter to Justin asking him to consider dropping our Tariffs

On Edit: Oops - the article was wrong - it turns out the Orchards and Vineyards Transition Program was terminated in 2010.

Another Oops: It turns out that the Canadian federal government doesn't, and never has, subsidized the hog market: Only Ontario and Quebec do, and there's more complaints from other provinces than from the US:
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The Ontario and Quebec programs are provincial government initiatives and are not supported by the federal government. The Ontario program, which was recently implemented, has not received the traditional 40 percent share of funding from the federal government because federal bureaucrats say it is clearly a countervailable program.

How are we doing so far? Ready to drop your subsidies yet?
Edited by Brewster, Jun 15 2018, 03:47 AM.
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Jun 14 2018, 02:56 PM
As Europe’s economies grew, so did the intensity of debates on Alliance burden sharing. The main feature of those debates was the perceived imbalance in the United States’ contribution to the common defence compared to other Allies.
Most of the U.S. defense expenditures in Europe since WWII have been of the U.S.'s own volition. The U.S. has been doing those things for its own defense. NATO hasn't asked the U.S. to do much.

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Canada didn't have the same fiscal problems that many European nations had after the war as the war wasn't fought on Canadian soil, and therefore didn't have the same reason for not complying with the NATO fiscal recommendations through the decades. I mean, Canada is advertised as a wealthy, happy nation..... in comparison.

Canada has always complied and will continue to comply its NATO obligations.
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Jun 15 2018, 03:52 AM
Banandangees
Jun 14 2018, 02:56 PM
As Europe’s economies grew, so did the intensity of debates on Alliance burden sharing. The main feature of those debates was the perceived imbalance in the United States’ contribution to the common defence compared to other Allies.
Most of the U.S. defense expenditures in Europe since WWII have been of the U.S.'s own volition. The U.S. has been doing those things for its own defense. NATO hasn't asked the U.S. to do much.

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Canada didn't have the same fiscal problems that many European nations had after the war as the war wasn't fought on Canadian soil, and therefore didn't have the same reason for not complying with the NATO fiscal recommendations through the decades. I mean, Canada is advertised as a wealthy, happy nation..... in comparison.

Canada has always complied and will continue to comply its NATO obligations.
There Ban, lies the problem. The Canadians do not see their defense as being part and parcel of the defense of the USA. That is why they don't pay their fair share. They see no reason to do it. They don't see NATO in terms of a common defense but only a defense of the USA.

That is what happens when a country has, from it's inception, has a powerful country protecting it.


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Jun 15 2018, 09:40 AM
The Canadians do not see their defense as being part and parcel of the defense of the USA. That is why they don't pay their fair share. They see no reason to do it. They don't see NATO in terms of a common defense but only a defense of the USA.
The Canadian military works cooperatively with the U.S. military on many levels but its first responsibility is the defense of Canada.

NATO by definition is a joint operation for the mutual defense of its member nations.

Only a small part of the U.S. defense budget can be considered to be related to NATO.
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Thanks for proving my point.

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