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The New Year's Eve Massacre in Istanbul; Message from Cenk Uygur (hear him out)
Topic Started: Jan 4 2017, 07:07 AM (300 Views)
icy-woman
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Massacre in Istanbul

. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9GTyEH5DyY
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Berton
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Now explain to me why I as a rational thinking human being should think he knows what he is talking about?

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Here I thought you was one of them who had me on ignore. To try to answer your question for what good it would do as it's doubtful you would accept any answer I gave. It seemed to me like Cenk Uygur knows what he is talking about here. Is he lying about any of what he said, Maybe. I never did check this out and even if I did, whatever I showed that confirms it you likely would deem as not credible.

So Until you or another proves him wrong to my satisfaction, then I'm taking the man at his word. See, I can do that to. Demand proof and shoot holes in what you come up with.

Can youtube have some bogus stories, You bet they can. But so can any other news article with an agenda. Now as far as TYT goes, I don't agree with every single thing they put out there and they are biased in some areas. I go in knowing that and take their videos for what I think they are worth. I for sure do not agree with their views on everything. But they are one of the more credible channels in my opinion.

For what all that is worth to you. Don't know what else I can tell you.
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I have to tell ya, I expect nothing less from the politically biased "Young Turk News Blogger" than to take a tragic, radical Islamic terrorist action, about people and relatives that he says he cares about and who are so important to him (other Turks I suppose) and make a politically biased opinion statement. ..... And he says, "the Right say that they claim they care..."

How many here would say what he said, if actions that he said happened to his relatives and people he cared about, happened to relatives and people you care about and use it to make an unfounded political statement? Is that the same action that you would take if what occurred to relatives and people you care about in your home nation?

His problem, as "The Young Turk," is that people of his own culture, in Turkey, massacred people of the same culture.... his culture; and, he is looking for some of another culture to associate with it, some scapegoat and has chosen the U.S. Right; and, he says we do it because we "say we care about...... " Now is that a typical radical progressive liberal response or what? I mean, the Russians are over there bombing the hell out of people of his culture in Syria.... and even in Turkey (I suppose for Turkey shooting a Russian plane down) and he somehow finds a way to associate all that activity to those of the U.S. Right???? He's BS folks bsmeter bsmeter . He uses a tragedy of those who perished in Turkey and the hands of people of the same culture (religion) as the people they killed and "The Young Turk" uses a basic Psy 101 cultural protective mechanism to divert attention (falsely) to a group of people who have nothing to do with the incident. I mean, how stupid do the "young Turks" think people are?
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That is correct as far as I can see. He is nothing but a blame America hater who blames America for their own internal problems.

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I happen to believe and agree with most of what he said. 1) Our government created and it was our weapons that ISIS used, when it formed in Irag. Like it or not, we should have never opened up that Pandora's box. 2) He is right, the CIA and our intelligence community is incompetent. We see evidence of that in Wikileaks transcripts and the fiasco blaming Russia for hacking the Democrats and costing Hillary the election. 3) He is right, why the he** can't we find the ISIS leader? 4) He is right, indiscriminate bombing of civilian targets created a hornets nest of hatred against us. This has gone on in Irag, Afghanistan, Libya and if we continue with the Neocon manifesto, we will invade Iran and end up with missiles in our own back yards. Trump needs to resist the pressure the neocons will put on him. Explain to me where he was wrong? popcorn
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Is he right when he says we can not find the ISIS leader? Or is it that Obama will not target him? How do we know?

I have seen no pressure to invade Iran. He says the Iranians are no longer trying to build a bomb. Do you believe that? I do not. As Trump said the Iranian deal was one of the worst in human history.

Libya was not a Neocon idea, it was a liberal idea.

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Jan 4 2017, 10:16 AM
Is he right when he says we can not find the ISIS leader? Or is it that Obama will not target him? How do we know?

I have seen no pressure to invade Iran. He says the Iranians are no longer trying to build a bomb. Do you believe that? I do not. As Trump said the Iranian deal was one of the worst in human history.

Libya was not a Neocon idea, it was a liberal idea.

1) you have zero proof of your assertion that Obama doesn't want to find the ISIS leader. That's a ridiculous position to take. 2) I refer you to what McCain, his South Carolina neocon partner have said, what Bolton has said and on, and on, and on, and on. Listen to what they are saying. Quit being naive. Trump has his hands full fighting off those who want us to put ground troops in Syria and a staging for Iran. I DO NOT WANT A BUSH JR IDIOTIC FOREIGN POLICY.
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Jan 4 2017, 10:24 AM
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Jan 4 2017, 10:16 AM
Is he right when he says we can not find the ISIS leader? Or is it that Obama will not target him? How do we know?

I have seen no pressure to invade Iran. He says the Iranians are no longer trying to build a bomb. Do you believe that? I do not. As Trump said the Iranian deal was one of the worst in human history.

Libya was not a Neocon idea, it was a liberal idea.

1) you have zero proof of your assertion that Obama doesn't want to find the ISIS leader. That's a ridiculous position to take. 2) I refer you to what McCain, his South Carolina neocon partner have said, what Bolton has said and on, and on, and on, and on. Listen to what they are saying. Quit being naive. Trump has his hands full fighting off those who want us to put ground troops in Syria and a staging for Iran. I DO NOT WANT A BUSH JR IDIOTIC FOREIGN POLICY.

Well then I can say that you have zero proof of your assertion that the CIA does not know where the ISIS leader is and your position is just as ridiculous.

I have seen nothing and read nothing about people wanting to invade Iran. So apparently you disagree with Trump that the Iranian deal was one of the worst in history. Care to explain why?

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Trump didn't hire a guy nicknamed "mad dog" for the fun of it.
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