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Topic Started: Dec 31 2016, 11:45 PM (153 Views)
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Quotes from Mises' work "Socialism, An Economic and Sociological Analysis." It's a scholarly work, but it might interest some of us.

There's not a lot of difference between Nazism, Fascism, Socialism, and Communism. They're all different flavors of tyranny, and they all begin by destroying property rights, your right to work, to run a business the way you want, etc.

Mises - Socialism
 


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COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM
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In the terminology of Marx and Engels the words communism and socialism are synonymous. They are alternately applied without any distinction between them. The same was true for the practice of all Marxian groups and sects until 1917. The political parties of Marxism which considered the Communist Manifesto as the unalterable gospel of their doctrine called themselves socialist parties."

SOCIALISM: THE STAGE BETWEEN CAPITALISM AND COMMUNISM
"It was only in 1928 that the programme of the Communist International, adopted by the sixth congress in Moscow, began to differentiate between communism and socialism (and not merely between communists and socialists).

According to this new doctrine there is, in the economic evolution of mankind, between the historical stage of capitalism and that of communism, a third stage, namely that of socialism. Socialism is a social system based on public control of the means of production and full management of all processes of production and distribution by a planning central authority. In this regard it is equal to communism. But it differs from communism in so far as there is no equality of the portions allotted to each individual for his own consumption."

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FASCISM
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"Fascist economic policy did not—at the beginning—essentially differ from those of all other Western nations. It was a policy of interventionism. As the years went on, it more and more approached the Nazi pattern of socialism."

"From the dust-heap of discarded socialist utopias, the Fascist scholars salvaged the scheme of guild socialism. Guild socialism was very popular with British socialists in the last years of the first World War and in the first years following the Armistice. It was so impracticable that it disappeared very soon from socialist literature."


"Fascism ... began with a split in the ranks of Marxian socialism... Its economic programme was borrowed from German non-Marxian socialism and its aggressiveness was likewise copied from Germans, the All-deutsche or Pan-German forerunners of the Nazis. Its conduct of government affairs was a replica of Lenin's dictatorship. Corporativism, its much advertised ideological adornment, was of British origin."

"The short-lived Fascist episode ended in blood, misery and ignominy. But the forces which generated Fascism are not dead. Fanatical nationalism is a feature common to all present-day Italians. The communists are certainly not prepared to renounce their principle of dictatorial oppression of all dissenters.(*) Neither do the Catholic parties advocate freedom of thought, of the press or of religion. There are in Italy only very few people indeed who comprehend that the indispensable prerequisite of democracy and the rights of men is economic freedom."

(*)(Sounds like PC progressives, doesn't it?)
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NAZISM
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"The philosophy of the Nazis, the German National Socialist Labour Party, is the purest and most consistent manifestation of the anticapitalistic and socialistic spirit of our age."

http://www.econlib.org/library/Mises/msSApp.html


http://s1.zetaboards.com/The_Congress/single/?p=3008019&t=8050765



I thought this might be interesting to those who like to claim that fascism is a product of conservatives.


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There's not a lot of difference between Nazism, Fascism, Socialism, and Communism. They're all different flavors of tyranny, and they all begin by destroying property rights, your right to work, to run a business the way you want, etc.

Donald Trump 'Eminent Domain' is a wonderful thing-

. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75Cd7oHG6pk

The Donald, The Widow and Eminent Domain-

. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmM4ZBoppNQ

Police seizing assets Civil Forfeiture in America-

. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XZOL3n_CHA

You Say Robbery, Cops Say Civil Asset Forfeiture-

. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvAZmd5BsKk

Civil Forfeiture Highway Shakedowns in Tennessee-

. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJd4Q4u5cqU
Eminent domain is a doctrine that allows government to acquire private property by force, if it can prove that the acquisition is for the better good of the community. The first examples I recall was when the Eisenhower interstate highway system was being built out. It went right through thousands of farms, houses, factories and so forth. In Seattle an entire swath of neighborhoods were gobbled up, at times the police would remove a widow from the porch of the family home, moments before the bulldozer crushed the home. I believe what you are referring to with Trump was just such a case, a development deemed a better use of the private property. I don't agree that imminent domain should be used as a means of acquiring property for a private for profit enterprise. The free market would be a better course, if Trump wants the property bad enough then the sky is the limit for what you sell it to him for. There is a point where the price is so high you will sell, the problem we have is private enterprise using government to force down the sale price of the property through eminent. domain..
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Dec 31 2016, 11:45 PM
Quotes from Mises' work "Socialism, An Economic and Sociological Analysis." It's a scholarly work, but it might interest some of us.

There's not a lot of difference between Nazism, Fascism, Socialism, and Communism. They're all different flavors of tyranny, and they all begin by destroying property rights, your right to work, to run a business the way you want, etc.

Mises - Socialism
 


___________

COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM
___________

In the terminology of Marx and Engels the words communism and socialism are synonymous. They are alternately applied without any distinction between them. The same was true for the practice of all Marxian groups and sects until 1917. The political parties of Marxism which considered the Communist Manifesto as the unalterable gospel of their doctrine called themselves socialist parties."

SOCIALISM: THE STAGE BETWEEN CAPITALISM AND COMMUNISM
"It was only in 1928 that the programme of the Communist International, adopted by the sixth congress in Moscow, began to differentiate between communism and socialism (and not merely between communists and socialists).

According to this new doctrine there is, in the economic evolution of mankind, between the historical stage of capitalism and that of communism, a third stage, namely that of socialism. Socialism is a social system based on public control of the means of production and full management of all processes of production and distribution by a planning central authority. In this regard it is equal to communism. But it differs from communism in so far as there is no equality of the portions allotted to each individual for his own consumption."

___________

FASCISM
___________

"Fascist economic policy did not—at the beginning—essentially differ from those of all other Western nations. It was a policy of interventionism. As the years went on, it more and more approached the Nazi pattern of socialism."

"From the dust-heap of discarded socialist utopias, the Fascist scholars salvaged the scheme of guild socialism. Guild socialism was very popular with British socialists in the last years of the first World War and in the first years following the Armistice. It was so impracticable that it disappeared very soon from socialist literature."


"Fascism ... began with a split in the ranks of Marxian socialism... Its economic programme was borrowed from German non-Marxian socialism and its aggressiveness was likewise copied from Germans, the All-deutsche or Pan-German forerunners of the Nazis. Its conduct of government affairs was a replica of Lenin's dictatorship. Corporativism, its much advertised ideological adornment, was of British origin."

"The short-lived Fascist episode ended in blood, misery and ignominy. But the forces which generated Fascism are not dead. Fanatical nationalism is a feature common to all present-day Italians. The communists are certainly not prepared to renounce their principle of dictatorial oppression of all dissenters.(*) Neither do the Catholic parties advocate freedom of thought, of the press or of religion. There are in Italy only very few people indeed who comprehend that the indispensable prerequisite of democracy and the rights of men is economic freedom."

(*)(Sounds like PC progressives, doesn't it?)
___________

NAZISM
___________

"The philosophy of the Nazis, the German National Socialist Labour Party, is the purest and most consistent manifestation of the anticapitalistic and socialistic spirit of our age."

http://www.econlib.org/library/Mises/msSApp.html


http://s1.zetaboards.com/The_Congress/single/?p=3008019&t=8050765



I thought this might be interesting to those who like to claim that fascism is a product of conservatives.


Government regulation is a form of socialism.

Socialism as I understand it is government controlling how you operate but not taking direct ownership of the venture.

I would prefer that a trade ground or business organization form a committee that referees bullying and subterfuge in the market place I don't want government being the referee through regulations, because government is not versed in business and will over regulate or direct attention at areas that are not helpful but are hurtful to the market.
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Do you see the similarity between communism, socialism, and fascism?

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Well Pat, I tried to have a discussion about the similarities but icy-woman does not want to allow it to happen. So I will give it up.

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Berton, I really don't think "that person" is capable of discussion. If it weren't for "that person's: youtube pollution "that person" would have nothing.
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Dec 31 2016, 11:45 PM
Quotes from Mises' work "Socialism, An Economic and Sociological Analysis." It's a scholarly work, but it might interest some of us.

There's not a lot of difference between Nazism, Fascism, Socialism, and Communism. They're all different flavors of tyranny, and they all begin by destroying property rights, your right to work, to run a business the way you want, etc.

Mises - Socialism
 


___________

COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM
___________

In the terminology of Marx and Engels the words communism and socialism are synonymous. They are alternately applied without any distinction between them. The same was true for the practice of all Marxian groups and sects until 1917. The political parties of Marxism which considered the Communist Manifesto as the unalterable gospel of their doctrine called themselves socialist parties."

SOCIALISM: THE STAGE BETWEEN CAPITALISM AND COMMUNISM
"It was only in 1928 that the programme of the Communist International, adopted by the sixth congress in Moscow, began to differentiate between communism and socialism (and not merely between communists and socialists).

According to this new doctrine there is, in the economic evolution of mankind, between the historical stage of capitalism and that of communism, a third stage, namely that of socialism. Socialism is a social system based on public control of the means of production and full management of all processes of production and distribution by a planning central authority. In this regard it is equal to communism. But it differs from communism in so far as there is no equality of the portions allotted to each individual for his own consumption."

___________

FASCISM
___________

"Fascist economic policy did not—at the beginning—essentially differ from those of all other Western nations. It was a policy of interventionism. As the years went on, it more and more approached the Nazi pattern of socialism."

"From the dust-heap of discarded socialist utopias, the Fascist scholars salvaged the scheme of guild socialism. Guild socialism was very popular with British socialists in the last years of the first World War and in the first years following the Armistice. It was so impracticable that it disappeared very soon from socialist literature."


"Fascism ... began with a split in the ranks of Marxian socialism... Its economic programme was borrowed from German non-Marxian socialism and its aggressiveness was likewise copied from Germans, the All-deutsche or Pan-German forerunners of the Nazis. Its conduct of government affairs was a replica of Lenin's dictatorship. Corporativism, its much advertised ideological adornment, was of British origin."

"The short-lived Fascist episode ended in blood, misery and ignominy. But the forces which generated Fascism are not dead. Fanatical nationalism is a feature common to all present-day Italians. The communists are certainly not prepared to renounce their principle of dictatorial oppression of all dissenters.(*) Neither do the Catholic parties advocate freedom of thought, of the press or of religion. There are in Italy only very few people indeed who comprehend that the indispensable prerequisite of democracy and the rights of men is economic freedom."

(*)(Sounds like PC progressives, doesn't it?)
___________

NAZISM
___________

"The philosophy of the Nazis, the German National Socialist Labour Party, is the purest and most consistent manifestation of the anticapitalistic and socialistic spirit of our age."

http://www.econlib.org/library/Mises/msSApp.html


http://s1.zetaboards.com/The_Congress/single/?p=3008019&t=8050765



I thought this might be interesting to those who like to claim that fascism is a product of conservatives.


Government regulation is a form of socialism.

Socialism as I understand it is government controlling how you operate but not taking direct ownership of the venture.

I would prefer that a trade ground or business organization form a committee that referees bullying and subterfuge in the market place I don't want government being the referee through regulations, because government is not versed in business and will over regulate or direct attention at areas that are not helpful but are hurtful to the market.
noun

Socialism
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a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

facism
noun
1.
(sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
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