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It's official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California; Received 4.3 million more votes than Trump in California
Topic Started: Dec 18 2016, 08:47 AM (558 Views)
Corky52
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Jim,
First test will be coal use in California, Trump has already mentioned using Federal pressure to override tougher state laws. We will have NO power generation from coal in 2026, not even from out of state.



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I'm willing to try it. Are you?
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Corky52
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Jim,
I'm not ready yet, but getting closer everyday. It's really the kids call as I won't have to live with it.



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Corky you are the one whining, I'm just trying to find a solution for you.
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Dec 18 2016, 08:47 AM
The wisdom of our founding fathers prevails. It would be absurd to allow one state to determine the outcome of an election that covers 50 states and the territories. In nation where the democrats are continually whining about fairness, I find their arguments hilarious and disingenuous to claim the popular vote should prevail over the electoral college. There would cease to be a reason why the other 49 states and territories should participate in congress. We might as well be a hodge podge of 50 separate nation states. Better yet, California should be allowed to secede, the demographics is so out of touch with the rest of the nation in priorities and philosophy, that it is more foreign than many foreign nation's we have relationships with.


It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California

Democrats who are having trouble getting out of the first stage of grief — denial — aren't being helped by the fact that, now that all the votes are counted, Hillary Clinton's lead in the popular vote has topped 2.8 million, giving her a 48% share of the vote compared with Trumps 46%.

To those unschooled in how the United States selects presidents, this seems totally unfair. But look more closely at the numbers and you see that Clinton's advantage all but disappears.

As we noted in this space earlier, while Clinton's overall margin looks large and impressive, it is due to Clinton's huge margin of victory in one state — California — where she got a whopping 4.3 million more votes than Trump.

California is the only state, in fact, where Clinton's margin of victory was bigger than President Obama's in 2012 — 61.5% vs. Obama's 60%.

But California is the exception that proves the true genius of the Electoral College — which was designed to prevent regional candidates from dominating national elections.

In recent years, California has been turning into what amounts to a one-party state. Between 2008 and 2016, the number of Californian's who registered as Democrats climbed by 1.1 million, while the number of registered Republicans dropped by almost 400,000.

What's more, many Republicans in the state had nobody to vote for in November.

There were two Democrats — and zero Republicans — running to replace Sen. Barbara Boxer. There were no Republicans on the ballot for House seats in nine of California's congressional districts.

At the state level, six districts had no Republicans running for the state senate, and 16 districts had no Republicans running for state assembly seats.

Plus, since Republicans knew Clinton was going to win the state — and its entire 55 electoral votes — casting a ballot for Trump was virtually meaningless, since no matter what her margin of victory, Clinton was getting all 55 votes.

Is it any wonder then, that Trump got 11% fewer California votes than John McCain did in 2008? (Clinton got 6% more votes than Obama did eight years ago, but the number of registered Democrats in the state climbed by 13% over those years.)

If you take California out of the popular vote equation, then Trump wins the rest of the country by 1.4 million votes. And if California voted like every other Democratic state — where Clinton averaged 53.5% wins — Clinton and Trump end up in a virtual popular vote tie. (This was not the case in 2012. Obama beat Romney by 2 million votes that year, not counting California.)

Meanwhile, if you look at every other measure, Trump was the clear and decisive winner in this election.

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Number of states won:
Trump: 30
Clinton: 20
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Trump: +10

Number of electoral votes won:
Trump: 306
Clinton: 232
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Trump: + 68

Ave. margin of victory in winning states:
Trump: 56%
Clinton: 53.5%
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Trump: + 2.5 points

Popular vote total:
Trump: 62,958,211
Clinton: 65,818,318
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Clinton: + 2.8 million

Popular vote total outside California:
Trump: 58,474,401
Clinton: 57,064,530
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Trump: + 1.4 million
Now, we should test the wisdom of our founding fathers and allow the Electors to vote for whoever they desire. The founding fathers would not have the Electors' votes tied to Donald (I am not Putin’s puppet) Trump.
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Neutral
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Now that is completely stupid.
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Berton
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The Founders thought the States could take care of their own business, including Electoral Votes.

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Clinton said she would accept the outcome and she has, far as I can tell. Trump said he would accept the outcome (if he wins) ha ha funny, and well, he has because he won. Since Trump won, some of his (lets say) plans have changed. Clinton's and Obama are great now and we don't?, want to put Hillary behind bars anymore? Oh well. And did the wall just get shorter? Are the Mexicans still paying for it?, and how will we know? This looks like a scam to launder stolen US funds through the premise of getting the Mexican government to pay the cost. Also looks to be right up Trump's alley.

This President should be Sooooo easy to impeach. Problem is will we be stuck with his cabinet? They are even worse then he.
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You are wrong. She joined in the recount fiasco.

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California has 12% of the U.S. population but 30% of U.S. welfare cases. Which pretty much tells us where that 4.3 million votes came from for Hillary that Trump didn't get. https://www.quora.com/Does-California-really-have-30-of-the-USAs-welfare-cases.
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