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Excellent Graphic Demonstrating Climate Change Timeline
Topic Started: Dec 18 2016, 02:39 AM (854 Views)
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Dec 18 2016, 02:59 AM
Tell us folks here in central Missouri that the climate is warming and you will get thrown out on your ear. It is colder than a well diggers ass.
As it is here in Minnesota but that doesn't mean much. Read the article. It is very interesting even if your change is not as great as ours. Just wait a bit. The change in humidity and rainfall is especially interesting. It has made Minnesota summers a whole different ballgame.

"We've broken over 16,000 daily climate records on the Minnesota landscape in the last 10 years; we've also set over 140 all time state records," said Seely. "This is a phenomenal rate of change."


http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/region/3875853-minnesota-second-most-affected-state-us-climate-change
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Dec 18 2016, 02:59 AM
Tell us folks here in central Missouri that the climate is warming and you will get thrown out on your ear. It is colder than a well diggers ass.
As it is here in Minnesota but that doesn't mean much. Read the article. It is very interesting even if your change is not as great as ours. Just wait a bit. The change in humidity and rainfall is especially interesting. It has made Minnesota summers a whole different ballgame.

"We've broken over 16,000 daily climate records on the Minnesota landscape in the last 10 years; we've also set over 140 all time state records," said Seely. "This is a phenomenal rate of change."


http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/region/3875853-minnesota-second-most-affected-state-us-climate-change
As for Missouri? I suggest you go to the google search below and read a bit. In the end I kno you don't give a schit if it does not effect you, personally, right now.

How about your grandkids? Isn't it worth the few bucks and minor inconvenience to provide them a better future? Hell just the cleaner air and water would be worth it.

https://www.google.com/#q=climate+change+in+missouri
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Dec 18 2016, 03:01 AM
Not in the link you provided: Permanent link to this comic: http://xkcd.com/1732/

Here is the same data I provided from a different viewpoint:

Here is 38 years of empirical data clearly showing a relationship between the satellite temperature and the rate of change of atmospheric CO2 concentration at the Mauna Loa Observatory.
Yes, it's there. However, it requires a person to actually read it.

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Here is the same data I provided from a different viewpoint:

Here is 38 years of empirical data clearly showing a relationship between the satellite temperature and the rate of change of atmospheric CO2 concentration at the Mauna Loa Observatory.


Here are the records from five different sources including lower troposphere temperature.

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Here is 38 years of empirical data clearly showing a relationship between the satellite temperature and the rate of change of atmospheric CO2 concentration at the Mauna Loa Observatory.

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Figure 1. Mauna Loa Observatory

Figure 1 shows the monthly lower tropospheric satellite temperature for the Tropics-Land component in blue and the annual change in CO2 concentration in red. The obvious correlation between the two raises the possibility that there may be some common causal factor whereby the temperature drives the rate of change of CO2 concentration. It is not possible for the rate of change of CO2 to cause the temperature level as a time rate of change does not define a base. For example a rate of 2 ppm per annum could be from 0 to 2 ppm in 12 months, 456 to 458 ppm in 12 months or any other pair of numbers that differ by 2.
Note that the satellite temperature data is supplied as a residual after removal of the estimated seasonal variation. This makes it comparable to the annual rate of change of CO2 concentration as taking the annual rate eliminates the seasonal variation.

Calculation of the Ordinary Linear Regression between the two time series gave a correlation coefficient of 0.65 from the 448 monthly data pairs. Detrending of the time series in order to determine the statistical significance gave a correlation coefficient of 0.56 with 446 degrees of freedom. However the Durbin-Watson test of the time series gave a value of 1.08 indicating positive autocorrelation which means that Ordinary Linear Regression is inapplicable. The autocorrelation was estimated to be 0.53. When applied to the transformed time series, that is, applying a First Order Autoregressive Model, it resulted in a correlation coefficient of 0.25 with 445 degrees of freedom and a t statistic of 5.38, implying an infinitesimal probability that the coefficient is equal to zero from a two-sided t-test.


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Perhaps I missed it but I don't believe that you have provided a link or the name or names of the Climate Scientists who produced these results. If you could provide that information, I'd appreciate it.
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Here is 38 years of empirical data clearly showing a relationship between the satellite temperature and the rate of change of atmospheric CO2 concentration at the Mauna Loa Observatory.

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Figure 1. Mauna Loa Observatory

Figure 1 shows the monthly lower tropospheric satellite temperature for the Tropics-Land component in blue and the annual change in CO2 concentration in red. The obvious correlation between the two raises the possibility that there may be some common causal factor whereby the temperature drives the rate of change of CO2 concentration. It is not possible for the rate of change of CO2 to cause the temperature level as a time rate of change does not define a base. For example a rate of 2 ppm per annum could be from 0 to 2 ppm in 12 months, 456 to 458 ppm in 12 months or any other pair of numbers that differ by 2.
Note that the satellite temperature data is supplied as a residual after removal of the estimated seasonal variation. This makes it comparable to the annual rate of change of CO2 concentration as taking the annual rate eliminates the seasonal variation.

Calculation of the Ordinary Linear Regression between the two time series gave a correlation coefficient of 0.65 from the 448 monthly data pairs. Detrending of the time series in order to determine the statistical significance gave a correlation coefficient of 0.56 with 446 degrees of freedom. However the Durbin-Watson test of the time series gave a value of 1.08 indicating positive autocorrelation which means that Ordinary Linear Regression is inapplicable. The autocorrelation was estimated to be 0.53. When applied to the transformed time series, that is, applying a First Order Autoregressive Model, it resulted in a correlation coefficient of 0.25 with 445 degrees of freedom and a t statistic of 5.38, implying an infinitesimal probability that the coefficient is equal to zero from a two-sided t-test.

Applying a First Order Autoregressive Model to the Tropics-Ocean component of the satellite temperature compared to the annual change in CO2 concentration gave a correlation coefficient of 0.14 with 445 degrees of freedom and a t statistic of 3.06, implying a probability of 0.2% that the coefficient is equal to zero from a two-sided t-test.

It follows that this synthesis of empirical data conclusively reveals that CO2 has not caused temperature change over the past 38 years but that the rate of change in CO2 concentration may have been influenced to a statistically significant degree by the temperature level. Note that it is not possible for a rise in CO2 concentration to cause the temperature to increase and for the temperature level to control the rate of change of CO2 concentration as this would mean that there was a positive feedback loop causing both CO2 concentration and temperature to rise continuously and the oceans would have evaporated long ago.


Still don't understand? That is the question, do you even understand what you are trying to discuss?



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