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| Brewster | Aug 13 2016, 06:29 AM Post #31 |
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Ban, it's pretty hard to start from a negative - we already have the (non)workers, the numbers are growing, and with automation and technology moving faster, it is virtually impossible to imagine that we'll EVER have enough jobs of the type that our fathers worked (or us, in our younger days, for that matter), regardless of who's in power. I know that when I started in Telecommunications, everybody told me it was a great choice - a job with a future. As it turned out, Electronics jobs were among the first to go - the company I worked for now covers 10 times as much area, 3 times the population, and does the job with about 15% the number of workers - modern electronics are easier to set up, and just don't break down as much. So what do you do with the masses of unemployed? Are you NOT going to feed them? Are you NOT going to house them? I'm sure that you know as well as I that restless, homeless, penniless, hungry youth are exactly the type of people that will end up involved in criminality and violence. Just saying NO is asking for trouble, of the type that we're seeing in many inner cities already. Something must be done, but I must admit I have no good ideas as to what. I fully expect that one way or the other, no matter who's in power, we will eventually end up with less than a quarter of the population working, (maybe much less) and the rest of the population living off them - not because they are lazy, or uneducated, or because some government or other didn't do the right thing, but because there will only be that many jobs, and only the most qualified will find any work. Doing nothing, blaming the unemployed for being for being "takers" may make you feel good, but it won't solve the problem. Getting from here to there will be painful. On Edit: That's all assuming Global Warming doesn't solve the problem for us...
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| Corky52 | Aug 13 2016, 06:41 AM Post #32 |
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Brew, Ban would leave the unused worker in the ghetto where he can go down once or twice a week and feel good about himself. What we do need is a change in goals and lifestyles, making better people of ourselves and a safer world for our children. Grow pretty flowers and breath fresh air.
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| Brewster | Aug 13 2016, 06:44 AM Post #33 |
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True, Corky. But as long as the majority of people think of that as being a "Taker", we're not likely to get there. Do we have to get to 51% unemployment before we'll reorganize our countries? |
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| Banandangees | Aug 13 2016, 07:02 AM Post #34 |
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Brew, From what you have written, the first thing the U.S. (and Canada) should not do, if their true concern is their own people, is to allow illegal or unvetted immigrants into the country. And for the U.S. to abide by the same tight legal immigration rules that Canada has..... do the legal immigrants have a needed skill to offer, will they be independent and self sustaining? For example, for those who are keeping abreast of what is transpiring in Germany and how the German people are pressed by Merkel's recent immigration policies. Not enough jobs, yet she is putting more and more strain on the native citizens by allowing untold numbers of unvetted refugees into Germany. And, as you wrote, where do they go (ghetto areas), what do they do (not find jobs and turn to crime or violence) other than what you say young men do when idle and of a different culture. What will Saudi Arabia, and OPEC nations like them, do when their is found an non-fossil fuel that can replace fossil fuel. They are a welfare state dependent on feeding their people with the sale of that oil. How does the world provide for them? Do they continue to flood into Europe and any other nations willing to accept them? What will happen when the world becomes that hard pressed. Riots will happen, revolutions will happen, wars will happen. In the more tech nations of Europe, at the rate of the "natural citizens" are replacing themselves, their native cultures will die out. The exception is that the immigrant populations (Muslims) migrating to those EU nations are doing more than replacing themselves and the cultures will change. But still, that does not satisfy the growing lack of jobs. It just changes the cultures. The governments will take over and be Big Brother to the populations with government regulation on just about everything (1984). Or, maybe technology will kill itself and people can go back to work using early 20th century technology.... jobs. I don't have the answer to where the world seems to be going.... but I don't see that utopia that Corky (in his last post) is hoping for. |
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| Banandangees | Aug 13 2016, 07:05 AM Post #35 |
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What is your real purpose of this thread Corkly? Is it just put down those who might not agree with you? I haven't heard what you are doing for the poor people of the U.S. You don't have any better solution than I do. If you did you'd state it and not just ask the question. |
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| Corky52 | Aug 13 2016, 07:12 AM Post #36 |
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Ban, I don't call anyone poor, unlucky but not poor. What do I do, I hire people to work at a good wage to do things that need to be done! I teach young people how to work and how to dream, to see what needs to be done that they can do. I do well, while doing good!
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| Banandangees | Aug 13 2016, 07:14 AM Post #37 |
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Your certainly not the first or last to do that. So, what are you doing for the "unlucky?" Edited by Banandangees, Aug 13 2016, 07:15 AM.
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| Brewster | Aug 13 2016, 07:28 AM Post #38 |
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Canada is benefiting from our immigration policies, although we DO bring in refugees. But that's just a stopgap - the problem hasn't gone away. Society has to reorganize, come to grips with the new reality. And whatever the final solution is, demonizing it by calling it some sort of "ism" won't help at all. |
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| Corky52 | Aug 13 2016, 07:30 AM Post #39 |
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Ban, It depends on who crosses my path, might be as simple as giving a family a break and not requiring first,last and a deposit to get a place to live that's decent for a family. Might be giving money and opening doors for a day labor program. Might be giving a kid a break and overlooking a record to give them a job at more than burger flipper pay. You do what you can when you can.
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| Banandangees | Aug 13 2016, 09:29 PM Post #40 |
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. So what you are saying is that the "unlucky" have to cross your path. You don't go out and look for them to share in your good fortune? I think that most all of us do what we can when we can. We all reach a day when we can't physically swing a heavy hammer anymore. You'll recognize it when it comes. Then there are other ways. But neither you or I can help them all, feed them all, house them all... and some nations alone can't even do that for their people. Increasing populations will only make it worse. How do we stop that? Governments can stop it, but you know what that means to freedom and liberty. Edited by Banandangees, Aug 13 2016, 09:34 PM.
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