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Topic Started: Jun 29 2016, 09:48 PM (392 Views)
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Jun 30 2016, 03:46 AM
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Should a retail pharmacist be allowed to deny access to birth control because of his/her religion?

If so why. If not, why not?
If there is a state licensing requirement that prohibits a pharmacy from refusing to offer the regulated drugs, then I don't believe they should be allowed to deny birth control. If there is no requirement then yes. Personally, in my opinion, there are fields of professional employment that by their very nature, should be avoided if by applying the trade 100% would violate one's beliefs. I'm all for freedom but there are life and death issues involved in prescription drugs. And the consumer cannot buy them outright.
Thank you Pat.
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Or, the pharmacy could just not stock the product. You can't sell what you don't have.

But that would only last so long. Of course then, a left sided congress could enact a law requiring pharmacies to stock such products or a left sided administration use his/her executive order to "make laws" that would require pharmacies to stock such products, and then enact yet another law that would make it unlawful for a pharmacy to either not stock the product or to refuse to sell it. Progressivism in action.
Let me get this straight as you seem reluctant to answer directly. You seem to be avoiding saying that a pharmacy should be able to not sell anything according to their religion while saying it is alright, in your opinion, not to sell any kind of drug they want. Do I have that right?

If so, why call it a pharmacy? (does every pharmacy carry every drug?

To be more specific. If I were a pharmacist and owned my own pharmacy (there are still some left); and, if the use of birth control products were against my religious beliefs, I simply would not stock such products. The would be buyer has the option to shop elsewhere.

I wanted a pair of P. F. Flyers that are made in the U.S.A., because I was always able to run much faster with them than other "sneakers." The sporting goods store that I went to did not stock P F Flyers. They specialized in Nike, which are mostly made in China, Indonesia and Vietnam. I was free to shop elsewhere. Would I use that particular sporting goods store in the future. Sure, just not for sneakers. I wouldn't make an issue of it.
OK you are still a bit evasive about the religious thing. May I ask you that directly?

And while we are at it may I ask if, in general, you support the "right not to sell".

I think I pretty much answered the question. If I was a pharmacist and owned my own pharmacy; and, use of birth control products was against my religious beliefs, then I think that I should have the right not to stock such products in that my pharmacy may not be big enough to carry all pharmaceutical products or brands of products. If I did stocks such products, I don't think that I should have the ethical right to refuse selling it if someone wanted to purchase it. I also may not have the legal right to refuse selling it if I carry such products depending on the law. I don't see how the law can ethically or justly require me to carry all such products, I would need a warehouse, and can't afford one.
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Jun 30 2016, 04:03 AM
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Or, the pharmacy could just not stock the product. You can't sell what you don't have.

But that would only last so long. Of course then, a left sided congress could enact a law requiring pharmacies to stock such products or a left sided administration use his/her executive order to "make laws" that would require pharmacies to stock such products, and then enact yet another law that would make it unlawful for a pharmacy to either not stock the product or to refuse to sell it. Progressivism in action.
Let me get this straight as you seem reluctant to answer directly. You seem to be avoiding saying that a pharmacy should be able to not sell anything according to their religion while saying it is alright, in your opinion, not to sell any kind of drug they want. Do I have that right?

If so, why call it a pharmacy? (does every pharmacy carry every drug?

To be more specific. If I were a pharmacist and owned my own pharmacy (there are still some left); and, if the use of birth control products were against my religious beliefs, I simply would not stock such products. The would be buyer has the option to shop elsewhere.

I wanted a pair of P. F. Flyers that are made in the U.S.A., because I was always able to run much faster with them than other "sneakers." The sporting goods store that I went to did not stock P F Flyers. They specialized in Nike, which are mostly made in China, Indonesia and Vietnam. I was free to shop elsewhere. Would I use that particular sporting goods store in the future. Sure, just not for sneakers. I wouldn't make an issue of it.
OK you are still a bit evasive about the religious thing. May I ask you that directly?

And while we are at it may I ask if, in general, you support the "right not to sell".

I think I pretty much answered the question. If I was a pharmacist and owned my own pharmacy; and, use of birth control products was against my religious beliefs, then I think that I should have the right not to stock such products in that my pharmacy may not be big enough to carry all pharmaceutical products or brands of products. If I did stocks such products, I don't think that I should have the ethical right to refuse selling it if someone wanted to purchase it. I also may not have the legal right to refuse selling it if I carry such products depending on the law. I don't see how the law can ethically or justly require me to carry all such products, I would need a warehouse, and can't afford one.
Let me bring up something you might not have considered Ban. Many areas can only support one pharmacy in the community. if two were there then neither would earn a living for the staff. If the pharmacy is 100 miles from the nearest competition, then the pharmacy owner or pharmacist would be preventing legal access to another person's personal choice in birth control.
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Jun 30 2016, 04:12 AM
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Jun 30 2016, 12:33 AM
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Jun 29 2016, 10:04 PM
Or, the pharmacy could just not stock the product. You can't sell what you don't have.

But that would only last so long. Of course then, a left sided congress could enact a law requiring pharmacies to stock such products or a left sided administration use his/her executive order to "make laws" that would require pharmacies to stock such products, and then enact yet another law that would make it unlawful for a pharmacy to either not stock the product or to refuse to sell it. Progressivism in action.
Let me get this straight as you seem reluctant to answer directly. You seem to be avoiding saying that a pharmacy should be able to not sell anything according to their religion while saying it is alright, in your opinion, not to sell any kind of drug they want. Do I have that right?

If so, why call it a pharmacy? (does every pharmacy carry every drug?

To be more specific. If I were a pharmacist and owned my own pharmacy (there are still some left); and, if the use of birth control products were against my religious beliefs, I simply would not stock such products. The would be buyer has the option to shop elsewhere.

I wanted a pair of P. F. Flyers that are made in the U.S.A., because I was always able to run much faster with them than other "sneakers." The sporting goods store that I went to did not stock P F Flyers. They specialized in Nike, which are mostly made in China, Indonesia and Vietnam. I was free to shop elsewhere. Would I use that particular sporting goods store in the future. Sure, just not for sneakers. I wouldn't make an issue of it.
OK you are still a bit evasive about the religious thing. May I ask you that directly?

And while we are at it may I ask if, in general, you support the "right not to sell".

I think I pretty much answered the question. If I was a pharmacist and owned my own pharmacy; and, use of birth control products was against my religious beliefs, then I think that I should have the right not to stock such products in that my pharmacy may not be big enough to carry all pharmaceutical products or brands of products. If I did stocks such products, I don't think that I should have the ethical right to refuse selling it if someone wanted to purchase it. I also may not have the legal right to refuse selling it if I carry such products depending on the law. I don't see how the law can ethically or justly require me to carry all such products, I would need a warehouse, and can't afford one.
Let me bring up something you might not have considered Ban. Many areas can only support one pharmacy in the community. if two were there then neither would earn a living for the staff. If the pharmacy is 100 miles from the nearest competition, then the pharmacy owner or pharmacist would be preventing legal access to another person's personal choice in birth control.
Thank you again Pat. That sums up the very real objection to "right not to sell". It is a potent weapon for discrimination and a very real way to deny basic rights.
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Pat....So are saying that any and all pharmacies should be required by law to carry birth control products? Birth control products are not an immediate life and death product. What about all other pharmaceutical products? Do all pharmacies carry all pharmaceutical products? I don't see how that would be possible. If I would go out of business because I don't stock certain products because of my religious beliefs, and people stopped using my pharmacy, then that is a decision that I would have to make..... my religious belief or my livelihood.

In reality, my religious beliefs do not "require" or "insist" that I not use birth control products or methods. If I were a pharmacist and owned my own pharmacy I would stock and sell birth control products. But I do think that private pharmacists who own their own pharmacy should have the right to keep in stock or not keep in stock certain products and live with the consequences. Business owners should also have basic rights to run their businesses the way they want within the law.
Edited by Banandangees, Jun 30 2016, 04:26 AM.
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Or, the pharmacy could just not stock the product. You can't sell what you don't have.

But that would only last so long. Of course then, a left sided congress could enact a law requiring pharmacies to stock such products or a left sided administration use his/her executive order to "make laws" that would require pharmacies to stock such products, and then enact yet another law that would make it unlawful for a pharmacy to either not stock the product or to refuse to sell it. Progressivism in action.
Let me get this straight as you seem reluctant to answer directly. You seem to be avoiding saying that a pharmacy should be able to not sell anything according to their religion while saying it is alright, in your opinion, not to sell any kind of drug they want. Do I have that right?

If so, why call it a pharmacy? (does every pharmacy carry every drug?

To be more specific. If I were a pharmacist and owned my own pharmacy (there are still some left); and, if the use of birth control products were against my religious beliefs, I simply would not stock such products. The would be buyer has the option to shop elsewhere.

I wanted a pair of P. F. Flyers that are made in the U.S.A., because I was always able to run much faster with them than other "sneakers." The sporting goods store that I went to did not stock P F Flyers. They specialized in Nike, which are mostly made in China, Indonesia and Vietnam. I was free to shop elsewhere. Would I use that particular sporting goods store in the future. Sure, just not for sneakers. I wouldn't make an issue of it.
OK you are still a bit evasive about the religious thing. May I ask you that directly?

And while we are at it may I ask if, in general, you support the "right not to sell".

I think I pretty much answered the question. If I was a pharmacist and owned my own pharmacy; and, use of birth control products was against my religious beliefs, then I think that I should have the right not to stock such products in that my pharmacy may not be big enough to carry all pharmaceutical products or brands of products. If I did stocks such products, I don't think that I should have the ethical right to refuse selling it if someone wanted to purchase it. I also may not have the legal right to refuse selling it if I carry such products depending on the law. I don't see how the law can ethically or justly require me to carry all such products, I would need a warehouse, and can't afford one.
Yeah you did except for the direct question of whether you approve on religious grounds. Yes or no?
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Or, the pharmacy could just not stock the product. You can't sell what you don't have.

But that would only last so long. Of course then, a left sided congress could enact a law requiring pharmacies to stock such products or a left sided administration use his/her executive order to "make laws" that would require pharmacies to stock such products, and then enact yet another law that would make it unlawful for a pharmacy to either not stock the product or to refuse to sell it. Progressivism in action.
Let me get this straight as you seem reluctant to answer directly. You seem to be avoiding saying that a pharmacy should be able to not sell anything according to their religion while saying it is alright, in your opinion, not to sell any kind of drug they want. Do I have that right?

If so, why call it a pharmacy? (does every pharmacy carry every drug?

To be more specific. If I were a pharmacist and owned my own pharmacy (there are still some left); and, if the use of birth control products were against my religious beliefs, I simply would not stock such products. The would be buyer has the option to shop elsewhere.

I wanted a pair of P. F. Flyers that are made in the U.S.A., because I was always able to run much faster with them than other "sneakers." The sporting goods store that I went to did not stock P F Flyers. They specialized in Nike, which are mostly made in China, Indonesia and Vietnam. I was free to shop elsewhere. Would I use that particular sporting goods store in the future. Sure, just not for sneakers. I wouldn't make an issue of it.
OK you are still a bit evasive about the religious thing. May I ask you that directly?

And while we are at it may I ask if, in general, you support the "right not to sell".

I think I pretty much answered the question. If I was a pharmacist and owned my own pharmacy; and, use of birth control products was against my religious beliefs, then I think that I should have the right not to stock such products in that my pharmacy may not be big enough to carry all pharmaceutical products or brands of products. If I did stocks such products, I don't think that I should have the ethical right to refuse selling it if someone wanted to purchase it. I also may not have the legal right to refuse selling it if I carry such products depending on the law. I don't see how the law can ethically or justly require me to carry all such products, I would need a warehouse, and can't afford one.
I guess you did at that although not really directly. I feel you have affirmed that you are for the "right not to sell" period. Religion being only one reason.
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I amended my last post. I have no religious objections to pharmacies selling or not selling birth control products.

What's the law? If the law requires a pharmacist own pharmacy to stock and sell birth control products then that pharmacist must obey the law. I have no pros or cons either way. That pharmacist has to live by his/her convictions and the law.
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I amended my last post. I have no religious objections to pharmacies selling or not selling birth control products.

What's the law? If the law requires a pharmacist own pharmacy to stock and sell birth control products then that pharmacist must obey the law. I have no pros or cons either way. That pharmacist has to live by his/her convictions and the law.
See how easy that was?
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