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| Berton | Jun 27 2016, 11:56 PM Post #1 |
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International Reaction to Brexit? Clueless As Brexit reverberates around the Western world, it is fun to observe the almost universal myopia of liberal commentators. This is from Sweden: “Brexit, a sign of anti-elite revolt: analysts.” So the analysts are starting to catch on. But they still have a ways to go: It was Britain’s poorer and less-educated citizens — angry at not having shared in the economic benefits of a new world order — who pushed it out of the European Union, in a vote that threatens elites, analysts say. Worldwide, liberals are convinced that conservatives are poor and uneducated. Here in the U.S., any survey will tell you that on average, Republicans are better educated and have higher incomes than Democrats, and can answer more questions about public policy issues correctly. It doesn’t matter: ask a liberal, and he will tell you that conservatives are poor and uneducated. They are those who suffered the worst hangover from the economic crisis, and whose precarious economic position makes them most fearful of rising immigration — to the benefit of far right groups in the E.U. and Donald Trump in the United States. In Europe, anyone with reservations about mass immigration is “far right.” This attempt to rule debate about immigration out of bounds has been a serious mistake. Note, too, that liberals will never admit that conservatives have arguments against unrestricted mass immigration. It is always a matter of “fear.” “I see the same pattern everywhere I look,” said William Galston, a senior fellow at the U.S.-based Brookings Institution. “The demographic splits within the U.K. are exactly the same category for category as the demographic splits within the American electorate in this presidential election.” Rural areas with high numbers of migrant workers, former industrial hubs and poor areas around cities, those without a university education and older voters were all among the 53.4 percent who voted Brexit. Mr. Galston said this was the same demographic backing controversial Republican candidate Mr. Trump in the U.S., as well as eurosceptic and far-right parties enjoying a rise in support across Europe. There is an obvious parallel, as we and everyone else have pointed out, between the enough-immigration movement in Europe and Trumpism in the U.S. Mr. Galston said while he did not expect these forces to prevail in the United States as they did in the Brexit vote, they were a “major warning signal to established parties throughout Europe”. It can’t happen here! Fears are high of a domino effect, with eurosceptic, leftist and far right parties from France to the Netherlands crying victory after the shock Brexit result was announced and calling for similar votes in their own countries. “Eurosceptic, leftist and far right parties”–an interesting alliance, again, much like what we see in the U.S., with considerable overlap between Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump supporters. At the root of this surge in anti-establishment sentiment is a feeling of fear, loss of control, and traditions and identity lost among those who are struggling economically, analysts say. … “You have a lot of people who took a big hit. These are people who feel economically vulnerable, and when you put demographic fears on top of economic vulnerability this is what you get,” said Mr. Galston. … Now older, these voters reeling from austerity and a sense of growing threats at Europe’s borders, feel “threatened and insecure”. It’s all about fear, according to liberals. People who are not on board with a borderless world are threatened, insecure, fearful, uneducated, elderly and poor. What never occurs to liberal “analysts” is that they might be right. Until liberals start dealing with immigration issues intelligently and on the merits, they will continue to lose the argument. LINK You see the same think on this board. Progressives saying that anyone who disagrees with them are poor and uneducated. |
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| Thumper | Jun 28 2016, 12:15 AM Post #2 |
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But Sea gets a little confused when "educated" comes up. |
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| Brewster | Jun 28 2016, 12:21 AM Post #3 |
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I don't remember saying anything of the sort. But I do call them, as well as anyone who pays any attention to Powerline, "Gullible Suckers". |
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| Banandangees | Jun 28 2016, 12:29 AM Post #4 |
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I don't remember anyone saying you did. Powerline. I take it you don't think much of power line. But I am under the impression that you do think a lot of Salon, Rawstory and ThinkProgress, that Stoned uses a lot. I mean, you never question those sources as being biased. But you do lend your posting support to Stoned's threads.... part of the LWOB unity I suppose. Edited by Banandangees, Jun 28 2016, 12:34 AM.
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| Thumper | Jun 28 2016, 01:17 AM Post #5 |
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Let's see now. We spent billions of treasure and several hundred thousands of lives lost to save england from Germany's take over. But later the english liberal elite sellout and join the EU and give up their freedom of self rule. Good on you Brits for taking it back. |
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| Stoned | Jun 28 2016, 03:36 AM Post #6 |
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Powerline articles are opinion pieces that appear only in Powerline. Whatever links appear there are just to support the editorial line.The articles I post can be found across the web as they are usually just reprints of news articles in other sources. For a while I proved that to you by listing multiple sources for the same story. It was quite useless and I should have known better. Read my tagline. |
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| Brewster | Jun 28 2016, 04:17 AM Post #7 |
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Ban just doesn't get it, or more likely, doesn't want to get it. As I have proven several times, the Right Wing Echo Chamber just bounces unsubstantiated pieces and heavily twisted Op-Eds around until it's almost impossible to tell where the story came from, and if there's even a trace of truth left in any of it. And all stories are liberally (sorry for the term) laced with Code Phrases like "Voter Fraud" and "Freedom of Speech" to cover for what is, in reality, outright Racism. And that applies in a different way to Powerline, who, while they DO do some original mangling, they also twist their copied stories so bad they almost sound original, and Breitbart is almost as bad. There is NO equivalent "Left Wing Echo Chamber". Yes, certain stories appear in several left-leaning sites, but proper attributions are nearly always available, and no effort is made to twist the facts to suit their ideology. Each tell their own story, with their own interpretations. I've proven this several times before, and Stoned has done similar pieces, as he said. But the US Right on this Board and elsewhere just refuse to understand, and continue to claim that if we point out that an article isn't worth discussing because it's just the usual Powerline nonsense, we're afraid to face the "facts" being presented, and are simply "Attacking the Messenger". I've tried debunking whole series of pieces, and the result is always the same. It doesn't matter how many Powerline, Breitbart, or IBD posts you prove are utter nonsense, the US Right will always come right back with another bit of rubbish - "This Time it's FOR REAL!" The real question, and one for which I have no answer, is "Why should anyone spend considerable time debunking the usual RWEC garbage only to have every Right Winger disbelieve the reply, and repost the same old Fact Free garbage a day later as if it were for real?" It's the question I ask myself every day when I sign in here, and I think less of myself every time. Edited by Brewster, Jun 28 2016, 04:25 AM.
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| Stoned | Jun 28 2016, 04:30 AM Post #8 |
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"........................Why should anyone spend considerable time debunking the usual RWEC garbage only to have every Right Winger disbelieve the reply,........................................... I cannot speak for anyone else but for me it is simple. It's fun! |
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| Brewster | Jun 28 2016, 04:45 AM Post #9 |
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I used to enjoy it too, Stoned - but endless useless repetition has worn off much of the "Fun "... |
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| Sea Dog | Jun 28 2016, 04:48 AM Post #10 |
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One may as well talk to a turnip! |
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