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Magna Carta 2.0: Good for Freedom, Good for Growth–Trump Is the Big Winner, Obama Got Crushed.
Topic Started: Jun 25 2016, 09:56 PM (682 Views)
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Show me where I have ever quoted Breitbart. Now, if you want me to show you where you on a very regular basis quote from those "progressive" LWEC sources like Salon, or Rawshidt, or ThinkProgress, that would be no trouble.

Are you a "progressive liberal" or aren't you? And from what perch do you leap? You say you'd vote for Bernie over Hillary (the crook). I still wonder why you don't hardly ever start threads about Hillary? Very rare. I mean, I can see why I wouldn't if I were a real liberal. Bernie has been classified as a "progressive Liberal." I'm thinking, that since you stated that you would vote for Bernie over Hillary that you must be like Bernie... a progressive liberal. Many nations (if you really look at history) started out favoring liberal via progressive socialist parties, and just kept progressing further into socialism. Most haven't ended up well. Venezuela in an example. China under Mao was another. Greece has been going through it and burdens the other EU nations. Russia of old is another. You act like it a rarity. You say that's just plain dumb. Well, what can you expect from another dumb "f***" who has done well (by democracy/capitalistic methods) in supporting my own and, for years, 50 other families. I've gotten used to taking care of myself since I was 18. How "f***en" dumb is that? You, apparently would like me to take care of you too... and help to contribute to the other 52% or so who will vote for Hillary, or if she's thrown in jail as she should be, vote for Bernie. See, that where the working dumb "f***s" of the U.S. come to think Trump and in GB vote in favor of Briexit. The ones carrying the burden for you smart "f***s who want to be carried.
Gotch beat. This "liberal" has been taking care of himself since 17. Army, straight out of high school. And that means nothing in the scope of the discussions.

More generalizations,more bullschit, fewer and fewer answers or even details for the bullschit.;

Please explain how democratic socialism in Europe has led to pure socialism. And please, socialism has nothing to do with communism so it might save you some embarassment if you read a bit more social science as you brush up on your history.

On that "socialism has nothing to do with communism" thing that you emphasized, a guy named Vladimir Lenin wouldn't agree with you. But, what did he know about such things?
Good grief! Even Marx and Lenin recognized socialism as a transition phase from capitalism to communism. If they are the same why would there be need of a transition phase?
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Marx and Lenin had no need for "phases". They were extremists - they used the "Transition" argument because they truly believed that would help us all to "Accept the Truth" sooner or later...

Rather like the Extremist Right Wingers around here believe that we'd all be better off if we just "Accepted the Truth" about Capitalism, that shutting down the borders on goods and immigrants and lowering the taxes on the 1% will somehow make us all richer - it has never worked.

The Truth is that it drives countries into recession, but Truth is unimportant to "True Believers".

Following the "Transition" argument, Capitalism could be thought of as the Transition step toward the Glorious Final Goal, Total Isolationism. The same sort of Isolationism that destroyed China's economy, and sent it into Communism.

So, based on that, transitions could be said to happen as follows:

True Socialism (like Sweden) => Social Democracy => Capitalism => Trumpism / Brexit => Total Isolationism => Chaos & Misery => Communism.

But all that is neither here nor there when it comes to Venezuela. It makes no difference whether you think Socialism is a Bad Thing or a Good Thing. As I have said several times, Venezuela was never at any point a Socialist or a Communist state - it was a flat out Dictatorship, wearing the trappings of Socialism so that it could suck goodies out of Russia and Cuba.. And like all Dictatorships, it ended in Chaos.
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What a bunch of blah blah blah.
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Yes, all my fault, Neut - Sorry - far too many big words for you - I'll try to keep it down to sentences of four words or less in the future, and not use any words over four letters...
Edited by Brewster, Jun 29 2016, 08:49 AM.
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You are projecting now.
Do you want me to tell you what blah blah blah means.
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Marx and Lenin had no need for "phases". They were extremists - they used the "Transition" argument because they truly believed that would help us all to "Accept the Truth" sooner or later...

Rather like the Extremist Right Wingers around here believe that we'd all be better off if we just "Accepted the Truth" about Capitalism, that shutting down the borders on goods and immigrants and lowering the taxes on the 1% will somehow make us all richer - it has never worked.

The Truth is that it drives countries into recession, but Truth is unimportant to "True Believers".

Following the "Transition" argument, Capitalism could be thought of as the Transition step toward the Glorious Final Goal, Total Isolationism. The same sort of Isolationism that destroyed China's economy, and sent it into Communism.

So, based on that, transitions could be said to happen as follows:

True Socialism (like Sweden) => Social Democracy => Capitalism => Trumpism / Brexit => Total Isolationism => Chaos & Misery => Communism.

But all that is neither here nor there when it comes to Venezuela. It makes no difference whether you think Socialism is a Bad Thing or a Good Thing. As I have said several times, Venezuela was never at any point a Socialist or a Communist state - it was a flat out Dictatorship, wearing the trappings of Socialism so that it could suck goodies out of Russia and Cuba.. And like all Dictatorships, it ended in Chaos.

A socialist state controls the means of production according to you progressives. There for that makes Venezuela a socialist state.

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Dictators control EVERYTHING. That's part of being a dictator.

As with economics, terrorism, medicine, freedoms, and a dozen other things including Climate Change, looking at only one symptom will ALWAYS lead to the wrong conclusion.

Time to learn how to analyze the entire picture on any subject, Berton.
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