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| Stoned | Jun 28 2016, 10:12 PM Post #41 |
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Good grief! Even Marx and Lenin recognized socialism as a transition phase from capitalism to communism. If they are the same why would there be need of a transition phase? Edited by Stoned, Jun 28 2016, 10:17 PM.
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| Berton | Jun 29 2016, 08:05 AM Post #42 |
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| Brewster | Jun 29 2016, 08:35 AM Post #43 |
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Marx and Lenin had no need for "phases". They were extremists - they used the "Transition" argument because they truly believed that would help us all to "Accept the Truth" sooner or later... Rather like the Extremist Right Wingers around here believe that we'd all be better off if we just "Accepted the Truth" about Capitalism, that shutting down the borders on goods and immigrants and lowering the taxes on the 1% will somehow make us all richer - it has never worked. The Truth is that it drives countries into recession, but Truth is unimportant to "True Believers". Following the "Transition" argument, Capitalism could be thought of as the Transition step toward the Glorious Final Goal, Total Isolationism. The same sort of Isolationism that destroyed China's economy, and sent it into Communism. So, based on that, transitions could be said to happen as follows: True Socialism (like Sweden) => Social Democracy => Capitalism => Trumpism / Brexit => Total Isolationism => Chaos & Misery => Communism. But all that is neither here nor there when it comes to Venezuela. It makes no difference whether you think Socialism is a Bad Thing or a Good Thing. As I have said several times, Venezuela was never at any point a Socialist or a Communist state - it was a flat out Dictatorship, wearing the trappings of Socialism so that it could suck goodies out of Russia and Cuba.. And like all Dictatorships, it ended in Chaos. Edited by Brewster, Jun 29 2016, 08:46 AM.
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| Neutral | Jun 29 2016, 08:42 AM Post #44 |
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What a bunch of blah blah blah. |
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| Brewster | Jun 29 2016, 08:48 AM Post #45 |
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Yes, all my fault, Neut - Sorry - far too many big words for you - I'll try to keep it down to sentences of four words or less in the future, and not use any words over four letters...
Edited by Brewster, Jun 29 2016, 08:49 AM.
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| Neutral | Jun 29 2016, 08:51 AM Post #46 |
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You are projecting now. Do you want me to tell you what blah blah blah means. |
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| Berton | Jun 29 2016, 09:38 AM Post #47 |
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A socialist state controls the means of production according to you progressives. There for that makes Venezuela a socialist state. |
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| Brewster | Jun 29 2016, 09:47 AM Post #48 |
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Dictators control EVERYTHING. That's part of being a dictator. As with economics, terrorism, medicine, freedoms, and a dozen other things including Climate Change, looking at only one symptom will ALWAYS lead to the wrong conclusion. Time to learn how to analyze the entire picture on any subject, Berton. |
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