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Topic Started: Jun 21 2016, 11:10 PM (941 Views)
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The people? You gotta be kindding!

Seven Quinnipiac University National polls conducted from February 7, 2013, in the wake of the Sandy Hook massacre, through November 5, 2015, show American voters support "requiring background checks for all gun buyers," with support ranging from 88 - 10 percent to 93 - 5 percent.

Support for "a nationwide ban on the sale of assault weapons" ranges from 54 - 41 percent to 59 - 36 percent in four national polls by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe- ack) University Poll since February, 2013.

Support for background checks and an assault weapons ban remains consistently high and has not faded since the Sandy Hook massacre.

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I am appalled that legislation failed to pass to prevent sales to possible terrorists on the no fly list. Pat gave some feeble excuse that I could put on the no fly list without recourse. Bull crap. It that's the case it could be easily remedied. I had to do a background check for a carry permit. Big friggin deal. I'm thinking about sticking my NRA membership up LaPierres ass.
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Jun 21 2016, 11:29 PM
I am appalled that legislation failed to pass to prevent sales to possible terrorists on the no fly list. Pat gave some feeble excuse that I could put on the no fly list without recourse. Bull crap. It that's the case it could be easily remedied. I had to do a background check for a carry permit. Big friggin deal. I'm thinking about sticking my NRA membership up LaPierres ass.
More power to you. The NRA has been sticking it up ours for generations. NRA? Organization for hunting and gun owners? They have not been that for almost a half century.

They are the gun lobby, working for the gun manufacturers. It is that simple. Gun owners and the public? Not so much.
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Stoned, I think of myself as being fair and balanced. I can wander throughout the political spectrum and pick and choose, though careful analyses, what side of an issue is right for me. This gun driven lobby party line vote makes me nauseated and much less supportive of the GOP. I think the GOP will learn to regret this deplorable vote.
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Jun 22 2016, 12:12 AM
Stoned, I think of myself as being fair and balanced. I can wander throughout the political spectrum and pick and choose, though careful analyses, what side of an issue is right for me. This gun driven lobby party line vote makes me nauseated and much less supportive of the GOP. I think the GOP will learn to regret this deplorable vote.
That's great! That proves you are not simply driven by idealogy like so many are.

What is the most important issue in this campaign, to you that is, and how do you think it could be acomplished? Forget about left and right just think of a method that you think might work. It is not uncommon that the means to accomplish the goal do not agree with the partisan picture of the goal.

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The most important issue to me is to break up the lobbyist control of our govt. I want an outsider with a little business experience and independence that can administer out country for our countries sake not for corporate sake. To accomplish this we must have govt funded election campaigns with zero personal or corporate donations permitted. Next, term limits. Four years and out. Then every bill is stand alone, no tag on riders. Then a provision for firing a politician.
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This was a political ploy by the Dems and the Reps fell for it.
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Jun 22 2016, 01:04 AM
The most important issue to me is to break up the lobbyist control of our govt. I want an outsider with a little business experience and independence that can administer out country for our countries sake not for corporate sake. To accomplish this we must have govt funded election campaigns with zero personal or corporate donations permitted. Next, term limits. Four years and out. Then every bill is stand alone, no tag on riders. Then a provision for firing a politician.
There is a provision for firing politicians, it is called an election. You realize that the things you have labeled important cannot be accomplished just by electing a president, even if you should happen to find one that approves.

I will break from my usual sarcastic self to tell you what you already know but hate to admit to:

These things you hate were not built in a day but over decades of time by persistent political activism, in this case by corporations. They will be taken away by the same means but by the public doing what the corporations did. Activism. (And we desperately need a new Supreme
Court) That's all there is to it. You have to get out there and make the system work for us just as the corporations made it work for them. That means loosening your checkbook and paying attention, something the American public is is not and never was until the situation becomes dire.

If you, at any time, thought Trump could do these things then you are a dreamer. Even more of a dreamer if you thought him seious in his blathering. A president without a congress is fairly helpless, as the Obama administration has proven. Neither could Sanders be effective although he had the hope of starting a movement.

Truth be told you would be better off as a democrat brecause the conservatives find your list of favorite things abhorrent and have consistently worked against (in fact put some in placer if only by the proxy court) them for decades. That includes Kasich. Look not at what he recently said but at what he has been doing for his entire political life.

Anyway politics is ideally the achievent of the possible not the idealistic whole.

For what you want there is not a Republican around who will support any of it. Neither is there a chance of a (meaningful) third party in your lifetime. In short you, and I, are pretty much screwed although I not so much as you. I would be content to see a mild change of direction rather than a revolution. In the meantime I am content to say I see not one republican on the horizon that I could vote for.
Even in my case where I have a repubican congressman who appears sane he votes in lockstep with the party on everything that is meaningful while sending home (franked) newsletters of how he is supporting issues of no real matter. If this is just "lesser of evils" philosophy then so be it. There are no political rescuers in sight.

No matter what happens, until the schit hits the fan the american voter will do what he has always done, vote for one party or the other mainly depending on who he voted for in the last election, and, as they say, that is the truth.

The schit is getting closer to the fan. Unless something changes guess who will be directy in front of it.
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I'm not dreaming about anything especially Trump being the saviour. I can only hope that there is a grain of truth in trumps rhetoric relative to not being subservient to the lobbies. It is a start. Only thing left is revolution. I think the GOP will eventually be wiped out as the white man becomes less and less a power base in this country.
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Jun 22 2016, 03:55 AM
I'm not dreaming about anything especially Trump being the saviour. I can only hope that there is a grain of truth in trumps rhetoric relative to not being subservient to the lobbies. It is a start. Only thing left is revolution. I think the GOP will eventually be wiped out as the white man becomes less and less a power base in this country.
Whites are due to become a minority around 2030.

Youo need a hell of a lot more thanTrump. Trump is probably the least effective for your needs. Most of his party hates him and, if elected, would do little for him. He would make Obama look like a powerhouse.

Are you sure this isn't a race thing?
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