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Democrats vs Israel
Topic Started: May 29 2016, 06:18 AM (422 Views)
Mountainrivers
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Berton
May 29 2016, 08:13 PM
Your assumption that I have not researched the situation is so very wrong on so many levels. Why do you think violence by the so called Palestinians in the form of killing civilians, the people you say you don't blame, is good for anyone?
Have you bothered to research how many "civilians" the Israelis have killed? If you've researched it then you have come a way with a flawed view of the situation.
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May 29 2016, 08:44 PM
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May 29 2016, 07:07 PM
Berton
May 29 2016, 11:14 AM
I understand why Thumper doesn't think much of Israel but perhaps he should blame their leadership at the time and not the Israeli people. As for the others of you, apparently you think the so called Palestinians should be able to kill all the Jews in Israel, their stated position.
I don't think any of us liberals blame the people of Israel. We blame the government of Israel for the mistreatment of Palestinians. You guys who support the Israeli occupation of Palestinians homes should do some research and discover why some of us are appalled at the actions of the Israeli government. I guess Ban thinks that if he says liberals are against the people of Israel enough, it will become true. Typical of right wing non-thought.

The reference is not about liberals, it's about the Democrat Party. Not all liberals are against supporting Israel. The article is about the Democrat Party's decline of the support of Israel.... AND, it pretty much excellerated with the Obama administration.
In what way has the US support of Israel declined? IMO, it should have, but I see no evidence of that.
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May 29 2016, 10:54 PM
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Show me.
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Read some Obi on the subject of Israel.
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May 29 2016, 11:01 PM
Read some Obi on the subject of Israel.
No, you said it. Show me.
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You play that game of show me way too often but do you really think Obi supports Israel?
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May 29 2016, 08:39 PM
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May 29 2016, 10:32 AM
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May 29 2016, 06:18 AM
This will give joy to all anti Semitics, especially Democrat anti Semitics

Democrats vs Israel
Sanders puts two hostile voices on the party’s platform committee.


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Not too long ago Democrats were America’s pro-Israel party. Harry Truman recognized Israel moments after the Jewish state declared independence in 1948. JFK sold advanced anti-aircraft missiles to Jerusalem, ending a de facto U.S. arms embargo. Bill Clinton was famously close to the late Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin.

If that party isn’t dead, it’s close. This week Bernie Sanders named James Zogby of the Arab-American Institute and professor Cornel West to the party’s platform-drafting committee. The pair are expected to push hard for a more “even-handed” position on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which in practice means denouncing Israel at every turn........................

........Even Mrs. Clinton is only moderate on Israel when compared to the Democratic left. Her State Department was notorious for its denunciations of Israel, and some of her closest advisers are often quicker to denounce Israeli self-defense than Palestinian terror.

The shame of all this is that support for a robust liberal democracy like Israel should come naturally to the Democratic Party. Last we checked, it was better to be a woman, or homosexual, or environmentalist, or political dissident in Tel Aviv than in Gaza. As they write their party’s platform, Democrats might ask why Israel, the one Middle Eastern country that fully shares their values, should be the one they most seek to condemn.


It's pretty much started with the Obama administration and is being carried on with Sanders. The Democrat Party is dead on Israel, the best ally that we have in the middle east.... or was.


the Israelis aren't so YUUGE on trump.

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.700648

Want to give some background info on that? What ever their feelings about Trump, it's got to be better than for Obama.
The article given was from Israel's oldest daily paper. What can I add to that?
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Mountainrivers
May 29 2016, 09:53 PM
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May 29 2016, 08:44 PM
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May 29 2016, 07:07 PM
Berton
May 29 2016, 11:14 AM
I understand why Thumper doesn't think much of Israel but perhaps he should blame their leadership at the time and not the Israeli people. As for the others of you, apparently you think the so called Palestinians should be able to kill all the Jews in Israel, their stated position.
I don't think any of us liberals blame the people of Israel. We blame the government of Israel for the mistreatment of Palestinians. You guys who support the Israeli occupation of Palestinians homes should do some research and discover why some of us are appalled at the actions of the Israeli government. I guess Ban thinks that if he says liberals are against the people of Israel enough, it will become true. Typical of right wing non-thought.

The reference is not about liberals, it's about the Democrat Party. Not all liberals are against supporting Israel. The article is about the Democrat Party's decline of the support of Israel.... AND, it pretty much excellerated with the Obama administration.
In what way has the US support of Israel declined? IMO, it should have, but I see no evidence of that.

Well, we're all entitled to our own opinions.

I know. I know. Any loyal Obamanite thinks that this administration has had Israel's best interest in mind with our more recent middle east dealings. I mean, BHO has said several times, "Israel, we have your back." So, it must be so.

But reread the article, or maybe you didn't read it in the first place. I suppose the author is basing what he says on his own observations of BHO relationship/attitude with Israel. The two "hostile voices" that Sanders is suggesting on the party's platform committee could easily be said to be anti-Semites. They differ greatly from the attitudes of Truman, JFK, Reagan, the Bushes and WJC toward Israel.

A decline is a decline..... and it has accelerated under this administration. I doubt that you took time to read the whole article.


And in anticipation of your next response, let me ask you this question: Why do you suppose the UN (and others) picked the area they did in 1948 to give the Jews a homeland?
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May 30 2016, 12:57 AM
Mountainrivers
May 29 2016, 09:53 PM
Banandangees
May 29 2016, 08:44 PM
Mountainrivers
May 29 2016, 07:07 PM
Berton
May 29 2016, 11:14 AM
I understand why Thumper doesn't think much of Israel but perhaps he should blame their leadership at the time and not the Israeli people. As for the others of you, apparently you think the so called Palestinians should be able to kill all the Jews in Israel, their stated position.
I don't think any of us liberals blame the people of Israel. We blame the government of Israel for the mistreatment of Palestinians. You guys who support the Israeli occupation of Palestinians homes should do some research and discover why some of us are appalled at the actions of the Israeli government. I guess Ban thinks that if he says liberals are against the people of Israel enough, it will become true. Typical of right wing non-thought.

The reference is not about liberals, it's about the Democrat Party. Not all liberals are against supporting Israel. The article is about the Democrat Party's decline of the support of Israel.... AND, it pretty much excellerated with the Obama administration.
In what way has the US support of Israel declined? IMO, it should have, but I see no evidence of that.

Well, we're all entitled to our own opinions.

I know. I know. Any loyal Obamanite thinks that this administration has had Israel's best interest in mind with our more recent middle east dealings. I mean, BHO has said several times, "Israel, we have your back." So, it must be so.

But reread the article, or maybe you didn't read it in the first place. I suppose the author is basing what he says on his own observations of BHO relationship/attitude with Israel. The two "hostile voices" that Sanders is suggesting on the party's platform committee could easily be said to be anti-Semites. They differ greatly from the attitudes of Truman, JFK, Reagan, the Bushes and WJC toward Israel.

A decline is a decline..... and it has accelerated under this administration. I doubt that you took time to read the whole article.


And in anticipation of your next response, let me ask you this question: Why do you suppose the UN (and others) picked the area they did in 1948 to give the Jews a homeland?
I don't think this is a matter of opinion. You said US support for Israel has declined under Obama. If you believe that, you must have reasons for it, so share them with us. Has Israel been attacked during Obama's administration, other than the normal rocket attacks that occur from time to time and do almost no harm? Have we not supported Israel in the UN? Have we not given them modern armaments? Have we stopped giving them that 3 billion dollars a year? What Have we done or not done that would lead you to say what you said other than your just repeating the BS from right wing media.
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