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"Obama's historic visit"
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Topic Started: May 28 2016, 05:11 AM (1,046 Views)
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Mountainrivers
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May 30 2016, 09:48 PM
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- Berton
- May 30 2016, 10:36 AM
- Mountainrivers
- May 29 2016, 09:46 PM
- Berton
- May 29 2016, 08:16 PM
- Mountainrivers
- May 29 2016, 06:57 PM
- Banandangees
- May 29 2016, 05:55 PM
Two planes into the twin towers killed 2000 people at one time. Probably being killed by a flame thrower or burned up by napalm doesn't get more inhumane.
Ally? So is Germany, why doesn't Benjamin Netanyahu go to Germany and express his condolences; or, General Patton, if he were still alive?
I've already explained my druthers. Apparently, you believe that President Truman made a grave mistake. Probably the families of those fighting in the Pacific, working their way toward Japan, island by island would have a different opinion that you.
I don't think I would want the US to be compared to Israel, but what did Israel do to Germany that it should grant condolences for? The inhumanity of weapons isn't the issue, imo, it's a reason to close old grievances. I don't know why you claim that I think Truman made a mistake. Have you read this thread? I've said what my opinion is. Try accepting that.
Has the leaders of Japan gone to Perl Harbor and expressed condolences? Have you read what is pictured in that memorial Obama went to? How it depicts the US for starting the war?
I don't think they have, but there is a lot of history that needs to be considered when attributing blame for the war. The US had put harsh sanctions on Japan as a result of the Japanese aggression in the far east. Japan was at war with China and a few other Asian nations and the US closing of trade deals with Japan, along with an oil embargo and a scrap metal embargo meant that Japan was desperate for those things in order to continue the wars. The Japanese view was that the only way to cripple the US and keep us from entering the war was to destroy our naval fleet in the Pacific. While I offer no excuses for the horrendous behavior of the Japanese against all of its enemies, one has to consider their point of view. As for an apology, there seems to be some differing opinions about that. I read that Hirohito offered an apology to General McArthur and he refused to grant a meeting for that to happen. I hope that no one will think I'm excusing Japan, just offering some insight into what they were thinking at the time. As for Obama's condolences, I see nothing wrong with saying we are sorry for the civilians killed in the atomic bombing of Japan.
As usual you give excuses for the people who started the war and were responsible for Perl Harbor, the Bataan Death Watch, The Rape of Nanking, and many more atrocities. Explain how your excuse for them required them to do any of those things. Explain why you jump at putting the blame on the US for those things. Please try to get me to believe you do not hate your country and every thing it stand for. You really can't read, can you?
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Mountainrivers
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May 30 2016, 09:49 PM
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- Berton
- May 30 2016, 10:36 AM
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- Berton
- May 29 2016, 08:16 PM
- Mountainrivers
- May 29 2016, 06:57 PM
- Banandangees
- May 29 2016, 05:55 PM
Two planes into the twin towers killed 2000 people at one time. Probably being killed by a flame thrower or burned up by napalm doesn't get more inhumane.
Ally? So is Germany, why doesn't Benjamin Netanyahu go to Germany and express his condolences; or, General Patton, if he were still alive?
I've already explained my druthers. Apparently, you believe that President Truman made a grave mistake. Probably the families of those fighting in the Pacific, working their way toward Japan, island by island would have a different opinion that you.
I don't think I would want the US to be compared to Israel, but what did Israel do to Germany that it should grant condolences for? The inhumanity of weapons isn't the issue, imo, it's a reason to close old grievances. I don't know why you claim that I think Truman made a mistake. Have you read this thread? I've said what my opinion is. Try accepting that.
Has the leaders of Japan gone to Perl Harbor and expressed condolences? Have you read what is pictured in that memorial Obama went to? How it depicts the US for starting the war?
I don't think they have, but there is a lot of history that needs to be considered when attributing blame for the war. The US had put harsh sanctions on Japan as a result of the Japanese aggression in the far east. Japan was at war with China and a few other Asian nations and the US closing of trade deals with Japan, along with an oil embargo and a scrap metal embargo meant that Japan was desperate for those things in order to continue the wars. The Japanese view was that the only way to cripple the US and keep us from entering the war was to destroy our naval fleet in the Pacific. While I offer no excuses for the horrendous behavior of the Japanese against all of its enemies, one has to consider their point of view. As for an apology, there seems to be some differing opinions about that. I read that Hirohito offered an apology to General McArthur and he refused to grant a meeting for that to happen. I hope that no one will think I'm excusing Japan, just offering some insight into what they were thinking at the time. As for Obama's condolences, I see nothing wrong with saying we are sorry for the civilians killed in the atomic bombing of Japan.
As usual you give excuses for the people who started the war and were responsible for Perl Harbor, the Bataan Death Watch, The Rape of Nanking, and many more atrocities. Explain how your excuse for them required them to do any of those things. Explain why you jump at putting the blame on the US for those things. Please try to get me to believe you do not hate your country and every thing it stand for. I don't give a schit what you believe.
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Berton
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May 30 2016, 10:02 PM
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That is the problem with progressives like you, they do not listen and don't care about others.
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colo_crawdad
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May 30 2016, 10:12 PM
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Here is what the radical right wing John Birch Society says about who caused Pearl Harbor.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/17147-the-communist-agent-who-caused-pearl-harbor-and-global-economic-havoc
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Mountainrivers
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May 30 2016, 10:14 PM
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- May 30 2016, 10:02 PM
That is the problem with progressives like you, they do not listen and don't care about others.
I care about some others, but you, not so much.
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Berton
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May 30 2016, 10:14 PM
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Who cares any more than what radical left wing progressives say caused it or makes up excuses for those who started it.
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Mountainrivers
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May 30 2016, 10:17 PM
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Who cares any more than what radical left wing progressives say caused it or makes up excuses for those who started it.
Have you been into the Thunderbird already this morning?
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Neutral
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May 30 2016, 10:37 PM
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Just give MR time, his real self always comes out.
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Mountainrivers
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May 30 2016, 10:44 PM
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Just give MR time, his real self always comes out. Yep! You bring out the worst in people.
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May 30 2016, 11:02 PM
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I think your dope has a lot to do with it.
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