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An Ill Wind: Open Season on Bald Eagles; Sacrificing 4,200 of the birds a year for green energy sounds fine to regulators.
Topic Started: May 25 2016, 02:21 AM (2,046 Views)
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May 27 2016, 01:31 AM
Go stare and a windmill and report back to us how many birds are killed Ima.
I spent a lot of time on google trying to find if there was any concrete numbers on eagles. I found none. I would appreciate it if you could direct me to the site that has such numbers.
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It would have to be from a Neutral site.
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May 27 2016, 01:29 AM
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May 25 2016, 10:55 AM
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May 25 2016, 10:23 AM
It is in the OP, if you would try reading it instead of jumping at taking things out of context to try to show I am wrong about something.

That ruling is still under appeal.

http://www.law360.com/articles/712787/fish-and-wildlife-appeals-eagle-permit-ruling-to-9th-circ

http://www.open-public-records.com/court/california-15385089.htm

Yes, that is what I said which you are trying to say is not correct. Sorry but you lost this one too.


The fact is eagles are being killed in large numbers by green energy and you would condemn any other industry for doing it.

We really don't know that "eagles are being killed in large numbers by green energy" although some, such as yourself, believe they do. However, we should find out if, indeed, that is the case. We should also determine just how much the population of golden and bald eagles have recovered in the continental U.S. in recent decades. All of this information would be quite useful when making decisions that might affect their population growth.

The report said they were. If you want to not believe it I really don't care. You wouldn't believe it of someone said the sky looks blue unless the LWEC told you so.
Since vehicle collisions and electrocution are the number 2 and 3 leading causes of death for eagles, perhaps we should ban motor vehicles or power lines in their areas of habitat?

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Trauma and poisoning have been the leading causes of death for bald eagles submitted to the National Wildlife Health Center since 1975 (Russell and Franson, 201
4), so anthropogenic factors account for most discovered bald eagle deaths. However, inferences from opportunistically found dead raptors can be misleading indicators of the overall importance of different mortality agents, because deaths from some causes are more apt to be discovered (Kenward et al. 1993). A study of satellite-tagged bald eagles from Florida, which usually provides less-biased information on the relative importance of different mortality factors, indicated starvation and disease, vehicle collisions, electrocution, and poisoning, in that order, were leading causes of death (Millsap et al., 2004).
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the Service's estimate of total population size for bald eagles in the coterminous U.S. increased from 2009 to 2016 (68,923 in 2009 to 72,434 in 2016) due to the substantial increase in the estimated number of occupied nesting territories in the lower 48 states over that period.
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Major causes of golden eagle deaths were (1) starvation, which was largely restricted to eagles in their first year; (2) illegal poisoning; (3) illegal shooting; (4) intra
-specific fighting; (5) collisions with power distribution lines, vehicles, and wind turbines; and (6) electrocution (USFWS, 2016, Table 8).
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USFWS (2016) updated estimates of golden eagle population size and trend for the western United States for the period 1967 – 2014, using a model that integrated data from a late summer aerial transect survey of golden eagles conducted annually since 2006 (Nielson et al., 2014) with BBS counts; see Millsap et al. (2013) for more details on this approach. The updated analysis indicated a late summer population averaging 31,000 (20th quantile = 29,000) over the most recent decade (Figure 3.3-4 in this PEIS and Figure 7 in USFWS, 2016), and total coterminous western U.S. population of 30,000 (20th quantile = 27,000) for 2009.
Draft Programmatic Environmental Impact Statement United States Fish and Wildlife Service

Changing the subject does not help your position.
I believe the topic of the thread is "An Ill Wind: Open Season on Bald Eagles". If we want to improve the fate of eagles, it would be best to get all the facts about the situation before introducing a plan to help the situation.

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Quit the game playing if you want me to respond to your posts.


If you see the search for the truth to be "game playing," I feel sorry for you.

The OP had the numbers so all you are doing is playing your usual game.

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May 27 2016, 06:08 AM
It would have to be from a Neutral site.
I looked at the stuff he put up and It is big on names like "raptors" but I found nothing specific for eagles. I am pretty sure Neut hasn't anything concrete either.
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It was a Pun.

I didn't expect that you'd actually follow Neut.
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I was told to read the op for the number of eagles killed. Couldn't find it. Am i missing it or is it not there?
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May 27 2016, 06:56 AM
I was told to read the op for the number of eagles killed. Couldn't find it. Am i missing it or is it not there?
It was just a made up number by the Wall Street Journal - I couldn't find anything even close to that in the Wildlife link.
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I posted a link and there are many more.
Without reading all the noise I suspect none read it or did their own search.
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May 27 2016, 06:47 AM
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It would have to be from a Neutral site.
I looked at the stuff he put up and It is big on names like "raptors" but I found nothing specific for eagles. I am pretty sure Neut hasn't anything concrete either.
I suspect that the Toronto Raptors may have flown into a windmill last night in Cleveland. :smile:
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From the OP:

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Two weeks ago the agency opened public comment on “proposed improvements” to its eagle conservation program. It wants to extend the length of permits for accidental eagle kills from tcurrent five years to 30 years. The changes would allow wind-energy producers to kill or injure as many as 4,200 bald eagles every year. That’s a lot. The agency estimates there are now about 72,434 bald eagles in the continental U.S.


Can we all assume that those on this forum opposing wind farms will or have all made public comments at public meetings on this proposal, or will they be pulling a Trump?
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