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An Ill Wind: Open Season on Bald Eagles; Sacrificing 4,200 of the birds a year for green energy sounds fine to regulators.
Topic Started: May 25 2016, 02:21 AM (2,050 Views)
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Berton
May 25 2016, 10:23 AM
It is in the OP, if you would try reading it instead of jumping at taking things out of context to try to show I am wrong about something.

That ruling is still under appeal.

http://www.law360.com/articles/712787/fish-and-wildlife-appeals-eagle-permit-ruling-to-9th-circ

http://www.open-public-records.com/court/california-15385089.htm
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They are killing many bald eagles, end of story.
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May 25 2016, 10:57 AM
They are killing many bald eagles, end of story.
Let's see what the scientifically acquired data tells us on that score.
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It depends on who is paying the scientists when it comes to reports.
It is common sense those windmills kill many birds
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May 25 2016, 10:55 AM
Berton
May 25 2016, 10:23 AM
It is in the OP, if you would try reading it instead of jumping at taking things out of context to try to show I am wrong about something.

That ruling is still under appeal.

http://www.law360.com/articles/712787/fish-and-wildlife-appeals-eagle-permit-ruling-to-9th-circ

http://www.open-public-records.com/court/california-15385089.htm

Yes, that is what I said which you are trying to say is not correct. Sorry but you lost this one too.


The fact is eagles are being killed in large numbers by green energy and you would condemn any other industry for doing it.

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May 25 2016, 11:06 AM
It depends on who is paying the scientists when it comes to reports.
It is common sense those windmills kill many birds
Scientific method is oblivious to the pay cheque. Scientists who follow the dictates of their pay cheques abandon scientific method.

What is common to some is prejudice to others. I would be more comfortable to let an objective scientific method determine whether or not wind turbines are killing an exorbitant number of golden and bald eagles and if so how many. Then, how many is too many?
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May 25 2016, 12:10 PM
ImaHeadaU
May 25 2016, 10:55 AM
Berton
May 25 2016, 10:23 AM
It is in the OP, if you would try reading it instead of jumping at taking things out of context to try to show I am wrong about something.

That ruling is still under appeal.

http://www.law360.com/articles/712787/fish-and-wildlife-appeals-eagle-permit-ruling-to-9th-circ

http://www.open-public-records.com/court/california-15385089.htm

Yes, that is what I said which you are trying to say is not correct. Sorry but you lost this one too.


The fact is eagles are being killed in large numbers by green energy and you would condemn any other industry for doing it.

We really don't know that "eagles are being killed in large numbers by green energy" although some, such as yourself, believe they do. However, we should find out if, indeed, that is the case. We should also determine just how much the population of golden and bald eagles have recovered in the continental U.S. in recent decades. All of this information would be quite useful when making decisions that might affect their population growth.
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Some need more studies for the obvious. lol
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May 25 2016, 10:23 AM
It is in the OP, if you would try reading it instead of jumping at taking things out of context to try to show I am wrong about something.

We must ban cars.

Automobiles / Trucks
Bird Deaths a year: 50 to 100 Million

Scientists estimate the number of birds killed by cars and trucks on the nation's highways to be 50 to 100 million a year. Those statistics were cited in reports published by the National Institute for Urban Wildlife and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
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Windows and buildings in general

An estimated 300 million to 1 billion birds die each year from collisions with glass on buildings, from skyscrapers to homes. Birds simply can't tell reflection from reality. Even if a bird flies away after striking a window, it may die elsewhere as a result of the collision.

And cats

Cats that live in the wild or indoor pets allowed to roam outdoors kill from 1.4 billion to as many as 3.7 billion birds in the continental U.S. each year, says a new study that escalates a decades-old debate over the feline threat to native animals.

And lots of other things
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=bird+deaths+by+cause&start=0
Edited by Stoned, May 26 2016, 12:18 AM.
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I guess you don't understand the difference in your examples and windmills.
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