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An Ill Wind: Open Season on Bald Eagles; Sacrificing 4,200 of the birds a year for green energy sounds fine to regulators.
Topic Started: May 25 2016, 02:21 AM (2,036 Views)
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ImaHeadaU
May 29 2016, 10:07 AM
Berton
May 29 2016, 09:43 AM
Are you saying that the oil industry can get an exemption like the wind turbine industry can?
Oil burning industries get an even better exemption ie. motor vehicle transport of all types as well as electric generation and transmission etc..


Still playing word games again I see. Okay I will play for a bit. Let me rephrase the question.

Are you saying that the oil industry can get permission to kill some amount of eagles and other birds with no penalty like the wind turbine industry can?


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May 29 2016, 11:19 AM
Are you saying that the oil industry can get permission to kill some amount of eagles and other birds with no penalty like the wind turbine industry can?


The oil and gas industry kills about three times as many birds as the wind turbine industry and the coal industry kills about eight times as many birds as the oil and gas industry. These reports don't break down what percentage of these birds were eagles but we do know that the oil spill resulting from Exxon Valdez incident left 250 bald eagles dead. Did they have or ask for permission to kill these birds? No but the birds are dead just the same. This doesn't even take into consideration the number of birds that die from coming into contact with power lines, a percentage of which could be counted as oil and gas industry related. Birds that die in oil pits often just sink to the bottom and go undetected.

Pecking Order: Energy's Toll on Birds

Contaminant Issues - Oil Field Waste Pits

Can the wind turbine industry kill eagles without penalty? Apparently not. Last November Duke Energy "pleaded guilty to killing 14 eagles and 149 other birds at two Wyoming wind farms. The Wind Energy Threat to Birds Is Overblown

So in the end, it would seem that neither the oil and gas industry nor the wind turbine industry can kill eagles without penalty.
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May 25 2016, 03:38 AM
Berton
May 25 2016, 03:19 AM
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May 25 2016, 03:17 AM
Berton
May 25 2016, 02:45 AM
Try to understand what the American Bird Conservancy numbers are and then you might be able to comment with some amount of common sense.

Oh, here are the numbers you demand in order to for YOU to have a adult discussion: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wsb.260/abstract



Here is the contradictory quote from your OP.

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“We don’t really know how many birds are being killed now by wind turbines because the wind industry doesn’t have to report the data,” says Michael Hutchins of the American Bird Conservancy.


It is entirely likely that changes have been made to limit the number of bird strikes since the earlier data was collected.

Likely? Since they are wanting a 30 year exemption what would they change?

I believe that they are requesting the current five year permit be extended to 30 years. The response to that request should be decided based on real data that has been gathered in a scientific manner.
"So in the end, it would seem that neither the oil and gas industry nor the wind turbine industry can kill eagles without penalty."

If that is the case then your post here is one big lie. :busted:

Now do you want to quit playing your childish game or just look stupid again?

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Has anyone even attempted t6o answer the3 question of how many eagles have been killed by windmills?
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Probably been answered at least a half dozen times but you libs just keep ignoring.
NO, I am not going to quote it for you . .. before you start your old game.
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May 29 2016, 08:24 PM
Has anyone even attempted t6o answer the3 question of how many eagles have been killed by windmills?

Are you saying that the oil industry can get permission to kill some amount of eagles and other birds with no penalty like the wind turbine industry can?
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You have my attention. I am really interested in seeing the answer. I have read ever post on this thread. Please direct me to where the specific number of eagles killed has been posted.
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You know we have no specific number and now I will not play another childish game of yours.
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May 29 2016, 08:41 PM
You know we have no specific number and now I will not play another childish game of yours.
Then why did you falsely claim it has “"Probably been answered at least a half dozen times?”

MUST BE A RIGHT WING TLHING.
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Has anyone even attempted t6o answer the3 question of how many eagles have been killed by windmills?

Are you saying that the oil industry can get permission to kill some amount of eagles and other birds with no penalty like the wind turbine industry can?
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