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An Ill Wind: Open Season on Bald Eagles; Sacrificing 4,200 of the birds a year for green energy sounds fine to regulators.
Topic Started: May 25 2016, 02:21 AM (2,041 Views)
ImaHeadaU
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I believe I have found how the erroneous number of 4,200 bald eagles killed came in to the blogosphere.

It comes from a misinterpretation of the Fish and Wildlife Service's estimate that bald eagles "number about 143,000 nationwide, could sustain as many as 4,200 fatalities annually without endangering the species.

They haven't said that bald eagles should or will sustain "4,200 fatalities annually."

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Obama Authorizes Kill Order for Bald Eagles-Truth! & Fiction!

Summary of eRumor:

A new rule handed down by President Obama would authorize wind farms to kill thousands of bald eagles, which amounts to a “kill order for bald eagles.”

The Truth:

It’s true that the Obama administration released a plan in May 2016 that would allow wind-energy farms to legally kill four times more eagles per year.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife’s proposal would extend “eagle permits” that are issued to wind farms from five years to 30 years. The permits determine how many golden and bald eagles can be killed without penalty by wind turbines or other obstructions in their habitats, Reuters reports:

…The Fish and Wildlife Service concluded that the U.S. population of roughly 40,000 golden eagles could endure the loss of about 2,000 birds a year without being pushed toward extinction. And the agency suggested that bald eagles, estimated to number about 143,000 nationwide, could sustain as many as 4,200 fatalities annually without endangering the species.
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A 2012 study published by the Fish and Wildlife Service found that wind energy facilities had killed at least 85 golden and bald eagles from 1997 to 2012 — but the report concluded that the number of fatalities could be much higher than that, National Geographic reports:
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"The impact of wind farms on golden eagles became startlingly clear in 2004, when the California Energy Commission conducted a mortality study at Altamont Pass Wind Resource Area’s 5,400 turbines. Estimates of golden eagles killed at the Wind Resource Area are an average of 67 or more per year, along with thousands of other raptors and other birds."

So, it’s true that the Obama administration has proposed increasing the number of bald eagles that could be killed by a wind farm each year without penalty. It’s does not, however, appear to be true that “thousands” of eagles will be killed each year, or that the proposal amounts to a “kill order for bald eagles.”
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Here you go again,
ruining a perfectly good thread
by adding facts!
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Stoned
May 27 2016, 10:35 PM
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May 27 2016, 10:32 PM
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May 27 2016, 10:29 PM
Google "how many bald eagles are killed by windmills". One source I found said over a 5 year period only 67 were killed.
You missed reading some links, even the first one Thumper.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=How+many+bald+eagles+are+killed+by+windmills
Thumper is absolutely correct. You really should not post headlines that are not related to the text of the article. That would of course make it necessary to read the articles you post.

That rarely happens.
Actually, Neut did a great job of proving Thump correct and that his own argument was pure BS.
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:tongue: Another lie by Brew. I gave a search result that showed eagles are being killed.
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Still, the scientists said their figure is likely to be “substantially” underestimated, since companies report eagledeaths voluntarily and only a fraction of those included in their total were discovered during searches for dead birds by wind-energy companies. The study also excluded the deadliest place in the country for eagles, a cluster of wind farms in a northern California area known as Altamont Pass. Wind farms built there decades ago kill more than 60 per year.
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May 27 2016, 10:59 AM
Bald and Golden Eagles

Not all bird species are equally vulnerable to wind turbines. Eagles appear to be particularly susceptible. Large numbers of golden eagles have been killed by wind turbines in the western states. However, bald eagles have also been killed, although not in the numbers seen in the West. The Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act (Eagle Act) prohibits the take, possession, sale, offer to sell, purchase or barter, transport, export or import, of any bald or golden eagle, alive or dead, including any part, nest or egg, unless allowed by permit.



Wind facility operators can obtain a permit from the Service for the “take” of eagles that may occur while operating their facility. Go here to find out more about compliance with the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act.

https://www.fws.gov/midwest/wind/wildlifeimpacts/index.html


Why should they get to "take" eagles when other industries can not without penalty?


I wonder why Brewster, Colo_crawdad, Stoned, Thumper, and ImaHeadaU keep ignoring the obvious question?

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Beware trolls who call fellow members liars and who falsely accuse fellow members of ignoring facts.
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Berton
May 28 2016, 03:56 AM
Berton
May 27 2016, 10:59 AM
Bald and Golden Eagles

Not all bird species are equally vulnerable to wind turbines. Eagles appear to be particularly susceptible. Large numbers of golden eagles have been killed by wind turbines in the western states. However, bald eagles have also been killed, although not in the numbers seen in the West. The Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act (Eagle Act) prohibits the take, possession, sale, offer to sell, purchase or barter, transport, export or import, of any bald or golden eagle, alive or dead, including any part, nest or egg, unless allowed by permit.



Wind facility operators can obtain a permit from the Service for the “take” of eagles that may occur while operating their facility. Go here to find out more about compliance with the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act.

https://www.fws.gov/midwest/wind/wildlifeimpacts/index.html


Why should they get to "take" eagles when other industries can not without penalty?


I wonder why Brewster, Colo_crawdad, Stoned, Thumper, and ImaHeadaU keep ignoring the obvious question?

"Why should they get to "take" eagles when other industries can not without penalty?"

Firstly, it is not without penalty. Penalties do kick in at a certain level.

Secondly, do we let the power transmission industry or the motor vehicle industry take eagles?

Thirdly, the permit process allows regulators the opportunity to work with this industry to improve the design and placement of wind turbine tower such that fewer and fewer birds of all kinds be taken as we learn more and improve the way they work.
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By Ima's criteria, we should have built the pipeline and then dealt with those tragedies the libs said would occur.
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May 28 2016, 05:24 AM
By Ima's criteria, we should have built the pipeline and then dealt with those tragedies the libs said would occur.
You are toast Neut.....................again.
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