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Bernie Sanders VS Adam Kokesh; Socialism VS Voluntaryism
Topic Started: Apr 3 2016, 03:00 AM (206 Views)
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debate challenge- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXgABEqoUX4

LA for Bernie VS Adam- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXgABEqoUX4

Ventura VS Kokesh : Small government VS No government
. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wu5TrctGWo .

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debate challenge- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXgABEqoUX4

LA for Bernie VS Adam- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXgABEqoUX4

Ventura VS Kokesh : Small government VS No government
. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wu5TrctGWo .

Get the most important book ever for free in every format including audiobook at: http://thefreedomline.com
Audiobook on YT: http://youtu.be/OobMGexM6Ks
Good lord! I guess you, like so many others, are not able to summarize your thoughts but expect others to spend half their lives listening to your surrogates.

Are you or are you not a Libertarian?. Do you know what that means? Are you able to articulate it? If you are not a libertarian just what do you use as a label for your beliefs?

You must learn to speak for yourself. If not you have not a leg to stand on.
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Good lord! I guess you, like so many others, are not able to summarize your thoughts but expect others to spend half their lives listening to your surrogates. Are you or are you not a Libertarian?. Do you know what that means? Are you able to articulate it? If you are not a libertarian just what do you use as a label for your beliefs? You must learn to speak for yourself. If not you have not a leg to stand on.

libertarian?, No, I thought I made it clear on this forum in so many posts that I don't claim any party or belief system. Much like Jesse Ventura who has spoke of running as an independant. Why should I paint myself into such a corner?. There are things I live by and/or aspire to. Things that I value. I'll make a list and see how long it gets,

1- Personal Freedom
2- Natural Rights
3- Truth
4- NV (non violence)

Well, that's what I have those 4 things, but they mean so much to me. Those 4 things seem to kinda float in and out of the republican, Democrat, libertarian, and other parties or type of community economic standard. That's why I agree with somethings and disagree with others from the same group.

Personal Freedom & Natural Rights- When cops or government take guns, or anything else from people who has not done anything wrong with them, They take away someone's personal freedom and violate their natural rights.

Truth- I love the truth. But most people hate the truth. They go to great lenghts to surpress it. I have noticed that they use a 3 stage process in dealing with the truth. First, step one- they ignore it, doing this until something forces them to respond to it. Second, step two- they attack it, how they attack it and when depends on just how much they hate the truth and what the cost of that truth coming out means for them. That brings us to step 3- Ignore until they no longer can, then attack in effort/s to 3- hide the truth, then make sure it stays hidden.

NV- To say I grew up in an abusive family would be a major under statement. I get the blame for everything if or not it's my fault. in all areas of life. Being attacked by drug crazed teenagers to being attacked at the homeless shelter. I never fight back, and always get the blame. All I might do is try to block punches or squirm away when being kicked down on the floor. Imaging the bad person they would paint me if I did fight back. In spite of that I believe it's a good quality to be NV and adopt that way of living.

There, I spoke for myself, are you satisfied with this reply?
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Good lord! I guess you, like so many others, are not able to summarize your thoughts but expect others to spend half their lives listening to your surrogates. Are you or are you not a Libertarian?. Do you know what that means? Are you able to articulate it? If you are not a libertarian just what do you use as a label for your beliefs? You must learn to speak for yourself. If not you have not a leg to stand on.

libertarian?, No, I thought I made it clear on this forum in so many posts that I don't claim any party or belief system. Much like Jesse Ventura who has spoke of running as an independant. Why should I paint myself into such a corner?. There are things I live by and/or aspire to. Things that I value. I'll make a list and see how long it gets,

1- Personal Freedom
2- Natural Rights
3- Truth
4- NV (non violence)

Well, that's what I have those 4 things, but they mean so much to me. Those 4 things seem to kinda float in and out of the republican, Democrat, libertarian, and other parties or type of community economic standard. That's why I agree with somethings and disagree with others from the same group.

Personal Freedom & Natural Rights- When cops or government take guns, or anything else from people who has not done anything wrong with them, They take away someone's personal freedom and violate their natural rights.

Truth- I love the truth. But most people hate the truth. They go to great lenghts to surpress it. I have noticed that they use a 3 stage process in dealing with the truth. First, step one- they ignore it, doing this until something forces them to respond to it. Second, step two- they attack it, how they attack it and when depends on just how much they hate the truth and what the cost of that truth coming out means for them. That brings us to step 3- Ignore until they no longer can, then attack in effort/s to 3- hide the truth, then make sure it stays hidden.

NV- To say I grew up in an abusive family would be a major under statement. I get the blame for everything if or not it's my fault. in all areas of life. Being attacked by drug crazed teenagers to being attacked at the homeless shelter. I never fight back, and always get the blame. All I might do is try to block punches or squirm away when being kicked down on the floor. Imaging the bad person they would paint me if I did fight back. In spite of that I believe it's a good quality to be NV and adopt that way of living.

There, I spoke for myself, are you satisfied with this reply?
No, not really. Way too general. Seeking freedom is fine but there are, and always have been limits to that freedom and you need to spell out your particular limits.

You seem to idolize Ventura. Why I cannot imagine having had him for a one term governor.

And If you idolize Jesse then you just might be a libertarian. In reality you are one but just cannot bring yourself to admit you have a party, if you can call the libertarians that.

If its good enough for Jesse is it good enough for you?

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/10/15/ventura-considering-run-for-president-on-the-libertarian-ticket/
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No, not really. Way too general. Seeking freedom is fine but there are, and always have been limits to that freedom and you need to spell out your particular limits. You seem to idolize Ventura. Why I cannot imagine having had him for a one term governor. And If you idolize Jesse then you just might be a libertarian. In reality you are one but just cannot bring yourself to admit you have a party, if you can call the libertarians that. If its good enough for Jesse is it good enough for you?

I wouldn't call it idolize or go that far. I like most of what he says, I like how he calls things out, corruption. I admire Adam Kokesh even more than I do Jesse. Adam might be the only person in the world who knows more about freedom than I do. What it means. We (Adam and myself) share a faith in humanity that gets lost on others. One such example is humans writing anti gun laws. Humans can't trust humans with guns. Talk about being one's own worst enemy.

No limits to freedom, we can have freedom and it can work. We don't need a government and cops who in many cases do far worse things than the things they are tasked to prevent. I have faith, faith in humanity. Now if you can understand that then I don't need to explain it, and if you can't then no explination I can offer will satisfy you.
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No, not really. Way too general. Seeking freedom is fine but there are, and always have been limits to that freedom and you need to spell out your particular limits. You seem to idolize Ventura. Why I cannot imagine having had him for a one term governor. And If you idolize Jesse then you just might be a libertarian. In reality you are one but just cannot bring yourself to admit you have a party, if you can call the libertarians that. If its good enough for Jesse is it good enough for you?

I wouldn't call it idolize or go that far. I like most of what he says, I like how he calls things out, corruption. I admire Adam Kokesh even more than I do Jesse. Adam might be the only person in the world who knows more about freedom than I do. What it means. We (Adam and myself) share a faith in humanity that gets lost on others. One such example is humans writing anti gun laws. Humans can't trust humans with guns. Talk about being one's own worst enemy.

No limits to freedom, we can have freedom and it can work. We don't need a government and cops who in many cases do far worse things than the things they are tasked to prevent. I have faith, faith in humanity. Now if you can understand that then I don't need to explain it, and if you can't then no explination I can offer will satisfy you.
Unlimited freedom is called anarchy and it opens the door to oppression. When the bad guy comes there is no one to stop him. There is a reason there are not and never have been any functioning Libertarian societies. They don't work.

Scratch a libertarian and you get an anarchist.

You would do better to control your government rather than try to get rid of it. It is not a question of big government vs small. It is a question of good vs bad.

And man has always been his own worst enemy. That is not likely to change.
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Unlimited freedom is called anarchy and it opens the door to oppression. When the bad guy comes there is no one to stop him. There is a reason there are not and never have been any functioning Libertarian societies. They don't work. Scratch a libertarian and you get an anarchist. You would do better to control your government rather than try to get rid of it. It is not a question of big government vs small. It is a question of good vs bad. And man has always been his own worst enemy. That is not likely to change.

When the bad guy comes there is no one to stop him. . . . Bad guys have come, and no one around was willing to stop them. Sometimes, maybe most times those bad guys were wearing badges and a gun, so the law prevented anyone from stopping them. Self defense is a natural right, the second amendment stems from that right. Say what you will about anarchy, but I think there's alot to be said for a world where the strong survive and the weak die off. A better quality of human comes out, it forces a much more rapid natural evolution. Do you have any idea how many humans died for us to become as evolved as we now are. With less people humanity (the human race) will have far better chances of long term survival as the earth's resorces won't get used up and will be better able to repair itself.

It is not a question of big government vs small. It is a question of good vs bad. . . . . Well who is worse? the people who know they aren't gonna get away with up and killing, or abusing anyone they feel like, Or cops who all pretty much know they can kill anyone, claim they believed their own life was in danger and get away with it. Dillon Taylor, John T Williams, and others. But it's not just that cops and government can and do get away with mass murder, they get away with general abuse and theft every day. Those who are not cops and do these things know that the cops will protect them from those the harm. Big corperations and the global elete know they will get the same kind of protection from the people they harm, from a corrupt government.

I believe it's reasonable to say that without government and cops to protect the criminal, or terrorist, folks would strighten up their act, or die. If the 8 billion people and rising got condensed down to even 5 billion, It wouldn't, people would really strighten up their act, but if it did, that hardly threatens our extinction.

There is a saying amoung open carriers "OCers" ,,, An armed socioty is a polite one. The bigger problem is we are stuck in elements of both big and small government. We need to go all the way with government having total control, or bring it back to a more free market capitalism. This hanging on the fence is just making things worse all the time and allowing for a community where we have to let people, cops and others, abuse us and can do nothing about it lest we be the bad guys.
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Unlimited freedom is called anarchy and it opens the door to oppression. When the bad guy comes there is no one to stop him. There is a reason there are not and never have been any functioning Libertarian societies. They don't work. Scratch a libertarian and you get an anarchist. You would do better to control your government rather than try to get rid of it. It is not a question of big government vs small. It is a question of good vs bad. And man has always been his own worst enemy. That is not likely to change.

When the bad guy comes there is no one to stop him. . . . Bad guys have come, and no one around was willing to stop them. Sometimes, maybe most times those bad guys were wearing badges and a gun, so the law prevented anyone from stopping them. Self defense is a natural right, the second amendment stems from that right. Say what you will about anarchy, but I think there's alot to be said for a world where the strong survive and the weak die off. A better quality of human comes out, it forces a much more rapid natural evolution. Do you have any idea how many humans died for us to become as evolved as we now are. With less people humanity (the human race) will have far better chances of long term survival as the earth's resorces won't get used up and will be better able to repair itself.

It is not a question of big government vs small. It is a question of good vs bad. . . . . Well who is worse? the people who know they aren't gonna get away with up and killing, or abusing anyone they feel like, Or cops who all pretty much know they can kill anyone, claim they believed their own life was in danger and get away with it. Dillon Taylor, John T Williams, and others. But it's not just that cops and government can and do get away with mass murder, they get away with general abuse and theft every day. Those who are not cops and do these things know that the cops will protect them from those the harm. Big corperations and the global elete know they will get the same kind of protection from the people they harm, from a corrupt government.

I believe it's reasonable to say that without government and cops to protect the criminal, or terrorist, folks would strighten up their act, or die. If the 8 billion people and rising got condensed down to even 5 billion, It wouldn't, people would really strighten up their act, but if it did, that hardly threatens our extinction.

There is a saying amoung open carriers "OCers" ,,, An armed socioty is a polite one. The bigger problem is we are stuck in elements of both big and small government. We need to go all the way with government having total control, or bring it back to a more free market capitalism. This hanging on the fence is just making things worse all the time and allowing for a community where we have to let people, cops and others, abuse us and can do nothing about it lest we be the bad guys.
I will say one thing, I have never heard as great a victim as you.
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