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Has There Been a Resurgence of Old-Fashioned Racism in the U.S.?
Topic Started: Mar 16 2016, 03:43 AM (2,094 Views)
colo_crawdad
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I think some here are confusing the terms "racial" and "racist."

BTW, Obama was certainly more qualified than Palin.

After his fantastic opening spee3ch at the prior Convention, few were surprised to see him nominated and elected.
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The U.S., with 12% black population, voted in a black American as president of the U.S. for two terms. Not every one voted for him.... for different reasons, some "racial" I suppose, but certainly not enough.... not in either term election. For our next presidential election, the GOP had four racial minority candidates contending, two out of the last 5 contenders were racial minority candidates; and, one still in in hot contention for our up coming Presidential election.

Has Canada in modern history ever had a racial minority as PM? In this last Canadian election, of the 5 main parties contending for office of PM, I did not see a racial minority face as party leader, nor did their background descriptions suggest that any were. Why is that? Shouldn't Canadians on this forum be concerned about that?

Racism still an uncomfortable truth in Canada
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I doubt it Ban.
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Has Canada in modern history ever had a racial minority as PM? In this last Canadian election, of the 5 main parties contending for office of PM, I did not see a racial minority face as party leader, nor did their background descriptions suggest that any were. Why is that? Shouldn't Canadians on this forum be concerned about that?

You need to do more than post articles showing some small part of Canada has a problem, then blowing it up to seem like it's all of Canada so that you can compare it to an endemic problem in the US.

As for our PM's, the Quebecois may have white faces, but they certainly consider themselves a racial minority.

Our present PM is Quebecois, if you haven't noticed, as was his father, who was PM over three different decades. In fact, apart from Harper and a couple of very short-lived governments, we have had nothing but Quebecers in office since 1968!

Why don't you post a piece telling us how we shouldn't be letting Minorities rule US??

On Edit: Our first Quebecois PM was Sir Wilfred Laurier (His given name was Henri). He is considered by many to be the Canadian equivalent of Lincoln, as he worked throughout his career for a stronger, more united Canada, where French and English would be more equal.

We didn't assassinate him.

Can you imagine just when American slaves would have been freed if Lincoln were black?
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He was elected because he was black, then divided the country because he was black. He did it on purpose and damned if I know why.
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Mar 16 2016, 09:47 PM
In my opinion, every human being is a racist to a degree.
I agree with you on this point.

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I honestly thought it was racist for the democrats to choose Obama over much high qualified candidates for office, based on his race. At the time I was unaware of his true agenda, which saddens me to this day.


Upon what basis do you do you suggest that President Obama was elected "based on his race"?
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Many wanted a first black President. I didn't support him but even I thought it would be good for race relations. It turned out to be just the opposite.
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Mar 16 2016, 11:24 PM
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Has Canada in modern history ever had a racial minority as PM? In this last Canadian election, of the 5 main parties contending for office of PM, I did not see a racial minority face as party leader, nor did their background descriptions suggest that any were. Why is that? Shouldn't Canadians on this forum be concerned about that?

You need to do more than post articles showing some small part of Canada has a problem, then blowing it up to seem like it's all of Canada so that you can compare it to an endemic problem in the US.

It's real hard for you to accept isn't it Brew. It more than just a few in Canada. There are plenty of Canadian articles, by Canadians, related to the racial discrimination in Canada. But, that's par for you.

As for our PM's, the Quebecois may have white faces, but they certainly consider themselves a racial minority.

I guess you're saying that the French are not of the Caucasian race and are a racial minority. I seriously doubt that any true French Canadian considers themselves a racial minority..... an ethnic minority perhaps, but not racial. That's about as absurd as you can get.

Our present PM is Quebecois, if you haven't noticed, as was his father, who was PM over three different decades. In fact, apart from Harper and a couple of very short-lived governments, we have had nothing but Quebecers in office since 1968!

Again with the French Canadians as being a racial minority. Ridiculous. Just more diversion BS

Why don't you post a piece telling us how we shouldn't be letting Minorities rule US??

On Edit: Our first Quebecois PM was Sir Wilfred Laurier (His given name was Henri). He is considered by many to be the Canadian equivalent of Lincoln, as he worked throughout his career for a stronger, more united Canada, where French and English would be more equal.

We didn't assassinate him.

Can you imagine just when American slaves would have been freed if Lincoln were black?

Brew, we know that we still have racial difficulties. We admit it. Unfortunately for those non-white minorities in Canada, Canadians (like yourself) refuse to admit to Canada's prejudices and discriminations and prefer to point to our problems down here, apparently as a means to lift yourselves up in righteousness if only in your own eyes. But, apparently not all Canadians agree with you. There are plenty of Canadian news media articles, written by Canadians who would argue the point with you. You don't need me..... but I'm here. I think your description is totally head-in-the-sand BS. I wonder if the French Canadians know that they are a race other than Caucasian?

I'm kind of thinking that your description of the Canadian Quebecois is a segregationist/discriminatory stab at an people of different ethnic origin than yourself.


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Mar 17 2016, 12:14 AM
Pat
Mar 16 2016, 09:47 PM
In my opinion, every human being is a racist to a degree.
I agree with you on this point.

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I honestly thought it was racist for the democrats to choose Obama over much high qualified candidates for office, based on his race. At the time I was unaware of his true agenda, which saddens me to this day.


Upon what basis do you do you suggest that President Obama was elected "based on his race"?
In recent history, when one of our parties are in office for two terms as president, the opposite party candidate wins the next time. Bush Jr had spent two terms. Bill Clinton was often labeled the white-black president. The democrats had moved to a point they wanted more minorities and women in high positions of government. In my opinion this was much like affirmative action which is reverse discrimination. Obama had very little true world leadership experience and if we added up his legislative accomplishments as a Illinois legislator and US senator he was least qualified of the other candidates on the democrat side. His one unique position as a half white and half black candidate, who happened to consider himself black was the key to democrats choosing him.
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Mar 16 2016, 10:48 PM
The U.S., with 12% black population, voted in a black American as president of the U.S. for two terms. Not every one voted for him.... for different reasons, some "racial" I suppose, but certainly not enough.... not in either term election. For our next presidential election, the GOP had four racial minority candidates contending, two out of the last 5 contenders were racial minority candidates; and, one still in in hot contention for our up coming Presidential election.
It would appear that a country can elect a leader who is from a racial minority and have an increase in "old fashioned racism" concurrently.

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Has Canada in modern history ever had a racial minority as PM? In this last Canadian election, of the 5 main parties contending for office of PM, I did not see a racial minority face as party leader, nor did their background descriptions suggest that any were. Why is that? Shouldn't Canadians on this forum be concerned about that?


Well Canada doesn't elect a Prime Minister. Whoever is the leader of the party that wins the election becomes the Prime Minister. Each party selects its leader in a system vaguely similar to the U.S. Presidential primaries. I don't believe that any of the candidates for leader of the main federal parties were from minority groups in the most reccent rounds.

However, if we look at the Members of Parliament as a whole, 46 of the 338 Members or about 14% are from visible-minority groups. 88 or 26% are female. Prime Minister Trudeau's Cabinet is half female and
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Maryam Monsef, Minister of Democratic Institutions, was born in Afghanistan before moving to Canada with her mother at the age of 11.

There are four people of Indian descent in Trudeau’s cabinet:

Patricia A. Hajdu: Minister of Status of Women
Amarjeet Sohi: Minister of Infrastructure & Communities
Harjit Sajjan: Minister of Defence
Navdeep Singh Bains: Minister of Innovation, Science & Economic Development

Two ministers are Aboriginal:

Hunter Tootoo: Minister of Fisheries, Oceans & the Canadians Coast Guard
Jody Wilson-Raybould: Minister of Justice & Attorney General of Canada
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Yes, there is racism in Canada. The more important question is whether the problem is getting better or worse.

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