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Yet Another Spectacular Climate Fail
Topic Started: Nov 13 2015, 02:15 PM (73 Views)
Berton
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Yet Another Spectacular Climate Fail

Posted on November 12, 2015 by tonyheller


Climate experts say Hudson Bay polar bears are threatened by disappearing sea ice.

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Global Warming and Polar Bears – National Wildlife Federation

Hudson Bay sea ice has been above normal almost all year.

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Product – Product Search – Canadian Ice Service

All of the Hudson Bay Polar Bear populations are increasing.

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The truth about polar bears

In Davis Strait, between Greenland and Baffin Island, the polar bear population has grown from 900 animals in the late 1970s to around 2,100 today. In Foxe Basin — a portion of northern Hudson Bay — a population that was estimated to be 2,300 in the early 2000s now stands at 2,570. And in specific areas of western Hudson Bay, the most-studied, most-photographed group of bears on Earth seems to have been on a slow but steady increase since in the 1970s.

The truth about polar bears – Canadian Geographic

Organizations like the National Wildlife Federation raise money by scaring people, which frequently means lying to them.

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Good Lord, you're Gullible.

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News like this leaves climate-change deniers crowing from the rooftops. But a closer look reveals that everything may not be quite so sunny. “Some populations appear to be doing OK now, but what’s frightening is what might happen in the very near future,” says wildlife biologist Lily Peacock, who has worked with polar bears for the Government of Nunavut and the U.S. Geological Survey. “All indications are that the future does not look bright.” While population trends might appear stable, she says, “we’re picking up declines in body condition that are really frightening.” Scientists have shown a direct correlation between warm years and skinny bears. Even more distressing, one study predicted that 40 to 73 percent of pregnant females could fail to deliver healthy cubs if ice breakup happens one month earlier than in the 1990s. Polar bears are long-lived animals that reproduce slowly; counting the number of animals that are alive today might not paint an accurate picture.

The bottom line is, some groups are doing quite well, others not so much.

Overall, it's a slow decline.

Saying the group around Churchill is doing well, where supplies are good and they can raid human sites, and therefore all Polar Bears are in good shape, is like looking at one snowstorm in midwinter and saying Global Warming is false.
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The OP was in response to the National Wildlife Federation information about the bears around the Hudson Bay region. Do you deny they have it wrong or not?

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Let's see, who to believe; the OP or Brew? Such a tough decision.
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Nov 13 2015, 02:37 PM
Good Lord, you're Gullible.

From the original article:
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News like this leaves climate-change deniers crowing from the rooftops. But a closer look reveals that everything may not be quite so sunny. “Some populations appear to be doing OK now, but what’s frightening is what might happen in the very near future,” says wildlife biologist Lily Peacock, who has worked with polar bears for the Government of Nunavut and the U.S. Geological Survey. “All indications are that the future does not look bright.” While population trends might appear stable, she says, “we’re picking up declines in body condition that are really frightening.” Scientists have shown a direct correlation between warm years and skinny bears. Even more distressing, one study predicted that 40 to 73 percent of pregnant females could fail to deliver healthy cubs if ice breakup happens one month earlier than in the 1990s. Polar bears are long-lived animals that reproduce slowly; counting the number of animals that are alive today might not paint an accurate picture.

The bottom line is, some groups are doing quite well, others not so much.

Overall, it's a slow decline.

Saying the group around Churchill is doing well, where supplies are good and they can raid human sites, and therefore all Polar Bears are in good shape, is like looking at one snowstorm in midwinter and saying Global Warming is false.
It is called cherry picking
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I am glad you recognize that is what Brewster is doing.

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I don't know what is going on there, I suspect the seals are extremely happy if the ice remains melted longer. It could be a shifting of weather patterns, a natural event throughout history. The bears will either move, adapt, or go extinct. It's the way of our planet.
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Exactly.
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