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Following opening of retail pot stores in 2014, crime explodes in Denver during 2015; an American issue
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Following opening of retail pot stores in 2014, crime explodes in Denver during 2015
By Sierra Rayne

Throughout 2014 and early 2015, marijuana legalization advocates were trumpeting the supposed reduction in rates of some specific crimes for Denver, Colorado since the first retail marijuana stores officially opened in the state on January 1, 2014. More objective analyses told a very different story (see, e.g., articles here at AT on April 9, April 12, and June 18, and at the CFP on April 16 and June 4).

With data available for the first ten months of 2015, we are witnessing a massive crime explosion in Denver that further calls into question conclusions the legalization supporters were making last year.

Year-to-date homicides in 2015 for the city are up an astonishing 62 percent (from 26 to 42 in the January-October time frame) over the same period during 2014. The number of rapes has increased 20 percent in Denver this year. Robberies are up 13 percent, aggravated assaults are up 12 percent, property crimes are up 5 percent, and total crimes have increased 6 percent.

This is the opposite trend of what we should be seeing if the hypothesis put forward by legalization proponents were true. Namely, they claim that consuming marijuana does not make the end user more likely to commit crimes, and restricting legal sales and production of the product simply generates a large, underground criminal enterprise that does increase crime rates over the legal and regulated marijuana counter-factual. Unfortunately for the legal pot advocates, the last several years of data for crime in Colorado's largest city simply do not support this hypothesis.

Can we link Denver's 2015 crime wave to legal marijuana? Not conclusively, but when one looks at the historical crime trends across all categories for Denver, it certainly is suggestive of a major problem from this risky social experiment.
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There may be an increase in violent crime but studies will show it's not from pot smokers. Same with driving under the influence claims. Pot smokers chill out and for the most part are in a non aggressive mood. I have never, not a single time witnessed a pot smoker get in a physical confrontation. Not once in 50 years.

So the gang wars over drugs are nothing but a figment of someone's imagination?

How do you come to these illiterate conclusions?
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Following opening of retail pot stores in 2014, crime explodes in Denver during 2015
By Sierra Rayne

Throughout 2014 and early 2015, marijuana legalization advocates were trumpeting the supposed reduction in rates of some specific crimes for Denver, Colorado since the first retail marijuana stores officially opened in the state on January 1, 2014. More objective analyses told a very different story (see, e.g., articles here at AT on April 9, April 12, and June 18, and at the CFP on April 16 and June 4).

With data available for the first ten months of 2015, we are witnessing a massive crime explosion in Denver that further calls into question conclusions the legalization supporters were making last year.

Year-to-date homicides in 2015 for the city are up an astonishing 62 percent (from 26 to 42 in the January-October time frame) over the same period during 2014. The number of rapes has increased 20 percent in Denver this year. Robberies are up 13 percent, aggravated assaults are up 12 percent, property crimes are up 5 percent, and total crimes have increased 6 percent.

This is the opposite trend of what we should be seeing if the hypothesis put forward by legalization proponents were true. Namely, they claim that consuming marijuana does not make the end user more likely to commit crimes, and restricting legal sales and production of the product simply generates a large, underground criminal enterprise that does increase crime rates over the legal and regulated marijuana counter-factual. Unfortunately for the legal pot advocates, the last several years of data for crime in Colorado's largest city simply do not support this hypothesis.

Can we link Denver's 2015 crime wave to legal marijuana? Not conclusively, but when one looks at the historical crime trends across all categories for Denver, it certainly is suggestive of a major problem from this risky social experiment.
LINK
There may be an increase in violent crime but studies will show it's not from pot smokers. Same with driving under the influence claims. Pot smokers chill out and for the most part are in a non aggressive mood. I have never, not a single time witnessed a pot smoker get in a physical confrontation. Not once in 50 years.

So the gang wars over drugs are nothing but a figment of someone's imagination?

I believe it mirrors prohibition in this regard. Legalize and you end the profit motive that attracts gangs. The violence is to defend very lucrative territories akin to a beer distributor's territory. With pot, it grows freely nearly everywhere and were it completely legal, the public would have a relatively free source and be able to spend the billions they now spend on illegal weed on other areas of the economy. You can't legislate and expect to be able to enforce your preferred morality. Live and let live. Stay out of my bedroom and away from pot plants. :smile:
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Following opening of retail pot stores in 2014, crime explodes in Denver during 2015
By Sierra Rayne

Throughout 2014 and early 2015, marijuana legalization advocates were trumpeting the supposed reduction in rates of some specific crimes for Denver, Colorado since the first retail marijuana stores officially opened in the state on January 1, 2014. More objective analyses told a very different story (see, e.g., articles here at AT on April 9, April 12, and June 18, and at the CFP on April 16 and June 4).

With data available for the first ten months of 2015, we are witnessing a massive crime explosion in Denver that further calls into question conclusions the legalization supporters were making last year.

Year-to-date homicides in 2015 for the city are up an astonishing 62 percent (from 26 to 42 in the January-October time frame) over the same period during 2014. The number of rapes has increased 20 percent in Denver this year. Robberies are up 13 percent, aggravated assaults are up 12 percent, property crimes are up 5 percent, and total crimes have increased 6 percent.

This is the opposite trend of what we should be seeing if the hypothesis put forward by legalization proponents were true. Namely, they claim that consuming marijuana does not make the end user more likely to commit crimes, and restricting legal sales and production of the product simply generates a large, underground criminal enterprise that does increase crime rates over the legal and regulated marijuana counter-factual. Unfortunately for the legal pot advocates, the last several years of data for crime in Colorado's largest city simply do not support this hypothesis.

Can we link Denver's 2015 crime wave to legal marijuana? Not conclusively, but when one looks at the historical crime trends across all categories for Denver, it certainly is suggestive of a major problem from this risky social experiment.
LINK
There may be an increase in violent crime but studies will show it's not from pot smokers. Same with driving under the influence claims. Pot smokers chill out and for the most part are in a non aggressive mood. I have never, not a single time witnessed a pot smoker get in a physical confrontation. Not once in 50 years.

So the gang wars over drugs are nothing but a figment of someone's imagination?

I believe it mirrors prohibition in this regard. Legalize and you end the profit motive that attracts gangs. The violence is to defend very lucrative territories akin to a beer distributor's territory. With pot, it grows freely nearly everywhere and were it completely legal, the public would have a relatively free source and be able to spend the billions they now spend on illegal weed on other areas of the economy. You can't legislate and expect to be able to enforce your preferred morality. Live and let live. Stay out of my bedroom and away from pot plants. :smile:
I don't recall there ever being a "gang war" over a legal drug. Have you?
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Nope. Think about it, caffeine products and cigarettes --maybe a few gangs but not much worrying over. The tax stamp people get upset. Beer and whiskey? A few bootleggers no real gangs. Johnsonville sausage, no gangs involved that I'm aware of.
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Nope. Think about it, caffeine products and cigarettes --maybe a few gangs but not much worrying over. The tax stamp people get upset. Beer and whiskey? A few bootleggers no real gangs. Johnsonville sausage, no gangs involved that I'm aware of.
If they made that sausage illegal, though, watch out for the gangs.
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Nope. Think about it, caffeine products and cigarettes --maybe a few gangs but not much worrying over. The tax stamp people get upset. Beer and whiskey? A few bootleggers no real gangs. Johnsonville sausage, no gangs involved that I'm aware of.
If they made that sausage illegal, though, watch out for the gangs.
Oh hell yes. :smile:
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Gangs are involved in all drugs, prescription or illegal.
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Gangs are involved in all drugs, prescription or illegal.
Prescription drugs not in the possession of the person the drugs were prescribed for is apparently an illegal drug, so there is no difference.
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Gangs are not involved in the legal sales of Marijuana. They are involved in the illegal drugs such as meth, coke, heroin, and popular prescription pills such as oxy.

People who claim that marijuana use causes violence have not dealt with users on a regular basis. Alcohol use absolutely causes violence, accidents, unemployment, and family destruction.

Why waste time trying to outlaw pot when it's alcohol that does the most damage to the USA?
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Following opening of retail pot stores in 2014, crime explodes in Denver during 2015
By Sierra Rayne

Throughout 2014 and early 2015, marijuana legalization advocates were trumpeting the supposed reduction in rates of some specific crimes for Denver, Colorado since the first retail marijuana stores officially opened in the state on January 1, 2014. More objective analyses told a very different story (see, e.g., articles here at AT on April 9, April 12, and June 18, and at the CFP on April 16 and June 4).

With data available for the first ten months of 2015, we are witnessing a massive crime explosion in Denver that further calls into question conclusions the legalization supporters were making last year.

Year-to-date homicides in 2015 for the city are up an astonishing 62 percent (from 26 to 42 in the January-October time frame) over the same period during 2014. The number of rapes has increased 20 percent in Denver this year. Robberies are up 13 percent, aggravated assaults are up 12 percent, property crimes are up 5 percent, and total crimes have increased 6 percent.

This is the opposite trend of what we should be seeing if the hypothesis put forward by legalization proponents were true. Namely, they claim that consuming marijuana does not make the end user more likely to commit crimes, and restricting legal sales and production of the product simply generates a large, underground criminal enterprise that does increase crime rates over the legal and regulated marijuana counter-factual. Unfortunately for the legal pot advocates, the last several years of data for crime in Colorado's largest city simply do not support this hypothesis.

Can we link Denver's 2015 crime wave to legal marijuana? Not conclusively, but when one looks at the historical crime trends across all categories for Denver, it certainly is suggestive of a major problem from this risky social experiment.
LINK
There may be an increase in violent crime but studies will show it's not from pot smokers. Same with driving under the influence claims. Pot smokers chill out and for the most part are in a non aggressive mood. I have never, not a single time witnessed a pot smoker get in a physical confrontation. Not once in 50 years.

So the gang wars over drugs are nothing but a figment of someone's imagination?

I believe it mirrors prohibition in this regard. Legalize and you end the profit motive that attracts gangs. The violence is to defend very lucrative territories akin to a beer distributor's territory. With pot, it grows freely nearly everywhere and were it completely legal, the public would have a relatively free source and be able to spend the billions they now spend on illegal weed on other areas of the economy. You can't legislate and expect to be able to enforce your preferred morality. Live and let live. Stay out of my bedroom and away from pot plants. :smile:

Believe me I do not want your pot plants but I do know that in CO the crime rate has gone up. I also know of a county cornier who pays for a complete drug panel now that pot has been legalized and gets hits on many of them. In other words people are driving while under the influence. Unlike booze which lasts for a few hours, pot lasts for days. Sorry Pat but I don't want you are anyone else on the road under the influence.

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