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"Deportation Force"; Show me your papers?
Topic Started: Nov 12 2015, 10:10 AM (1,214 Views)
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Obi refusing to abide by our Constitution and laws is bad, not sure how anyone can disagree with that.
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colo_crawdad
Nov 13 2015, 11:44 AM
Speaking of the rule of law, anyone who advocates deporting folks without providing them due process, which includes the right to a trial ,advocates ignoring the rule of law for a significant number of people. Even though I do not like the concept of having millions of residents here illegally, I still advocate following the rule of law with those suspected or accused of being here illegally are advocating breaking the rule of law for a significant number of residents. Do we believe in the rule of law or not? Do we just believe that the rule of law should apply to some but not others"
In theory you are right, but not in the time of an invasion and that is what we have. Would you strike back at a Russian threat who you believe attacked you or demand the country have a trial before determining guilt? We have a mob of 12+ million invaders which demand a different set of rules than that practiced by a law abiding society. Would you hold a trial before arresting a criminal gang engaged in unlawful acts before removing them from the scene? Of course not. The new president would employ tactics to determine how best to clean up the problem. Eisenhower did and I like Ike.
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Nov 13 2015, 09:55 PM
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Nov 13 2015, 09:52 PM
Deportations do not require trials Colo, get over it.
The kids have a choice, stay or leave. I would think they would leave.
Neutral is the kind of caring person we all strive not to emulate.
Yes, in this case the majority do care to emulate him. And it's those people who will save future generations to cost of paying for the cost of this invasion. You can surrender Neal, that's your right.
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Nov 13 2015, 11:06 PM
colo_crawdad
Nov 13 2015, 11:44 AM
Speaking of the rule of law, anyone who advocates deporting folks without providing them due process, which includes the right to a trial ,advocates ignoring the rule of law for a significant number of people. Even though I do not like the concept of having millions of residents here illegally, I still advocate following the rule of law with those suspected or accused of being here illegally are advocating breaking the rule of law for a significant number of residents. Do we believe in the rule of law or not? Do we just believe that the rule of law should apply to some but not others"
In theory you are right, but not in the time of an invasion and that is what we have. Would you strike back at a Russian threat who you believe attacked you or demand the country have a trial before determining guilt? We have a mob of 12+ million invaders which demand a different set of rules than that practiced by a law abiding society. Would you hold a trial before arresting a criminal gang engaged in unlawful acts before removing them from the scene? Of course not. The new president would employ tactics to determine how best to clean up the problem. Eisenhower did and I like Ike.
There are unlawful acts and there are unlawful acts. Equating immigrants, mostly interested only in improving their lives, with gang crime is ridiculous.
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colo_crawdad
Nov 13 2015, 10:11 PM
Mountainrivers
Nov 13 2015, 09:55 PM
Neutral
Nov 13 2015, 09:52 PM
Deportations do not require trials Colo, get over it.
The kids have a choice, stay or leave. I would think they would leave.
Neutral is the kind of caring person we all strive not to emulate.
Frank l y, I am not as concerned about that as I am about his, and others', willingness to trash our Constitution and the rule of law to achieve what they think is good result. I guess they do believe, contrary to American values, that the end justifies the means. I only thank God they do represent a majority of Americans.
Yes, but you are also a dove and anti war lefty. Most Americans deplore Jane Fonda and those like her. Getting in bed with the enemy is not my cup of tea.
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Mountainrivers
Nov 13 2015, 11:08 PM
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Nov 13 2015, 11:06 PM
colo_crawdad
Nov 13 2015, 11:44 AM
Speaking of the rule of law, anyone who advocates deporting folks without providing them due process, which includes the right to a trial ,advocates ignoring the rule of law for a significant number of people. Even though I do not like the concept of having millions of residents here illegally, I still advocate following the rule of law with those suspected or accused of being here illegally are advocating breaking the rule of law for a significant number of residents. Do we believe in the rule of law or not? Do we just believe that the rule of law should apply to some but not others"
In theory you are right, but not in the time of an invasion and that is what we have. Would you strike back at a Russian threat who you believe attacked you or demand the country have a trial before determining guilt? We have a mob of 12+ million invaders which demand a different set of rules than that practiced by a law abiding society. Would you hold a trial before arresting a criminal gang engaged in unlawful acts before removing them from the scene? Of course not. The new president would employ tactics to determine how best to clean up the problem. Eisenhower did and I like Ike.
There are unlawful acts and there are unlawful acts. Equating immigrants, mostly interested only in improving their lives, with gang crime is ridiculous.
Calling it what you want, they are criminals in the country taking what is not theirs. The majority realize this and want the law enforced.
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Nov 13 2015, 11:08 PM
Mountainrivers
Nov 13 2015, 09:55 PM
Neutral
Nov 13 2015, 09:52 PM
Deportations do not require trials Colo, get over it.
The kids have a choice, stay or leave. I would think they would leave.
Neutral is the kind of caring person we all strive not to emulate.
Yes, in this case the majority do care to emulate him. And it's those people who will save future generations to cost of paying for the cost of this invasion. You can surrender Neal, that's your right.
The majority do not wish to emulate you or Neutral.

"In a Pew Research Center survey conducted in May, a solid majority (72%) of Americans – including 80% of Democrats, 76% of independents and 56% of Republicans – say undocumented immigrants currently living in the U.S. should be allowed to stay in this country legally if they meet certain requirements. "

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I keep wondering why the left wants to disobey the law of the land and thereby destroy the Constitution.
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Mountainrivers
Nov 13 2015, 11:12 PM
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Nov 13 2015, 11:08 PM
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Nov 13 2015, 09:55 PM
Neutral
Nov 13 2015, 09:52 PM
Deportations do not require trials Colo, get over it.
The kids have a choice, stay or leave. I would think they would leave.
Neutral is the kind of caring person we all strive not to emulate.
Yes, in this case the majority do care to emulate him. And it's those people who will save future generations to cost of paying for the cost of this invasion. You can surrender Neal, that's your right.
The majority do not wish to emulate you or Neutral.

"In a Pew Research Center survey conducted in May, a solid majority (72%) of Americans – including 80% of Democrats, 76% of independents and 56% of Republicans – say undocumented immigrants currently living in the U.S. should be allowed to stay in this country legally if they meet certain requirements. "

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Donald Trump had not yet entered the presidential race and educated people nationally on the threat we face. His polling numbers seem to neutralize a poll taken before his entry.
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Pat
Nov 14 2015, 12:21 AM
Mountainrivers
Nov 13 2015, 11:12 PM
Pat
Nov 13 2015, 11:08 PM
Mountainrivers
Nov 13 2015, 09:55 PM
Neutral
Nov 13 2015, 09:52 PM
Deportations do not require trials Colo, get over it.
The kids have a choice, stay or leave. I would think they would leave.
Neutral is the kind of caring person we all strive not to emulate.
Yes, in this case the majority do care to emulate him. And it's those people who will save future generations to cost of paying for the cost of this invasion. You can surrender Neal, that's your right.
The majority do not wish to emulate you or Neutral.

"In a Pew Research Center survey conducted in May, a solid majority (72%) of Americans – including 80% of Democrats, 76% of independents and 56% of Republicans – say undocumented immigrants currently living in the U.S. should be allowed to stay in this country legally if they meet certain requirements. "

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Donald Trump had not yet entered the presidential race and educated people nationally on the threat we face. His polling numbers seem to neutralize a poll taken before his entry.
His polling numbers are a small fraction of a minority fraction of the total voting population. There is that 28% or so who still support Dubya despite all the evidence to the contrary.
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