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Ah! he's looking for a "fresh start."
Topic Started: Nov 7 2015, 10:06 PM (94 Views)
Banandangees
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Canada wants a fresh start.

"After a seven-year political saga, U.S. President Barack Obama rejects the Keystone XL pipeline. PM Justin Trudeau says he’s “disappointed” by the decision but eager to work with U.S. on climate change."

Seven years. It took seven f***** years for Obama to make a decision. As Mona Lisa Vito would say, "You're one hell of a decision maker" :teeth: Well, there were elections to be won during those seven years and ya never know what way a voter will use his vote based on decisions you make, right? Harper (and Canada) waited seven years..... patiently. But, that's all in the (seven year) past. Now Canada wants to concentrate on "climate change." How many seats (out of 338) did the voters of Canada elect for the Green Party? Must have been a couple hundred, right? What's that you say, the total voting population of Canada only gave one (1) Green Seat? You're kidding, right? There must be some mistake. One damn seat. I don't get it. I'd a thought a couple hundred. Well, next time now that Trudeau and the Libs are back in. Canada can make it's way back to the 80s and early 90s... and be green.


"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, who favoured the proposed pipeline to carry oil sands-derived crude oil from Alberta to the U.S., said he felt let down by the rejection, but signaled Ottawa’s willingness to work more closely with the Americans on energy and climate change."

Yes, yes, ... we know. We just don't know how we can help Canada get more green seats. I think the Canadians have already addressed that issue. They only wanted ONE seat for the Greenies. But who cares what they think. All they can think about now is replacing any jobs lost. Selfish.


"We are disappointed by the decision but respect the right of the United States to make the decision,” Trudeau said in a statement."

See you guys. Canada, although disappointed, respects us. Canada respects us. Ya just gotta respect them for finally respecting us. Finally!


"The Canada-U.S. relationship is much bigger than any one project and I look forward to a fresh start with President Obama to strengthen our remarkable ties in a spirit of friendship and cooperation,” Trudeau added.

Oh oh! Now I'm starting to get a little worried. Isn't it starting to sound like Trudeau is "sucking up" to our "hell of a decision maker" president? I mean "strengthen our remarkable ties in a spirit of friendship and cooperation.... :cry: .... getting a little smoochie there isn't he? It's beginning to sound like "Hey! we really need you guys down there." Sounds like DEPENDENCY cries to me. I mean, we all ready know that Canadians use more per capita fossil fuels than do Americans and some (at least) aren't too big on green by the number of Green Party seats elected this year, so they are looking for the U.S. to come up with the "save the climate" technology so Canadians can come off all that fossil fuel they are using... I suppose to keep warm.... and drive. Then there is the military dependency. Canada just doesn't have it if Putin decides to dig into some of the territory around the Nunavut waters.... or start building islands up there like China is doing over in the South China Sea. China and Russia work together you know. Naw, I think it's a cry of DEPENDENCY. We are there biggest trading partner I think. Maybe it's that they need us more than they respect us like Trudeau is saying. Hey! I'll tell ya, Hillary won't put up with that s*** when she gets in office.

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You tirade is not totally wrong, Banandangees.

I totally agree with you that 7 years is way too long to come to a conclusion.... on both sides of the wall....
Elections, republican professional bocking, studies, republican professional blocking, more studies, pressure groups, lobbys on both sides, republican professional blocking...you know...that takes time...
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Canada wants to concentrate on "climate change."
... not so.
Canada now wants to concentrate on things other than oil. harper had a fix on oil and nothing but oil, The new government will see other shades of grey...
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How many seats (out of 338) did the voters of Canada elect for the Green Party?
Answer is: 1... that's (ONE) One out of 338... no mistake.
A widespread Green movement is not a political party. It is a belief that everybody should do much better in trying to do survive a little longer.
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next time now that Trudeau and the Libs are back in. Canada can make it's way back to the 80s and early 90s... and be green.
You're wrong on this one. Remember that it was the Liberal (Chretien + Martin) delivered budget surpluses after budget surpluses when they were in power.
It will take a few years to clean-up that financial mess harper left to Canadians, but we'll survive....
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Trudeau, who favoured the proposed pipeline to carry oil sands-derived crude oil from Alberta to the U.S., said he felt let down by the rejection

That has never been HIS project, It was Harper's project. He has no reason to feel bad about the U.S. rejection on this subject..
The pipeline projects Harper has in his mind were all scrapped (British Columbia to Pacific, Northern XL to south , Energy East to Québec) were all turned down. guess why?...
Then there is the military dependency...true but we'll keep our word....we won't beat the U.S. down again like we did some 200 years ago.
Yeap: Canada is still the largest trading partner of the United States...
Edited by jackd, Nov 7 2015, 11:09 PM.
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It's hard to be taken seriously and claim you are pro green, and then consume far more carbon based fuel per capita than the rest of the countries in the hemisphere. The new PM has his work cut out along that front. I don't know what Canada will do as a replacement for the lost oil jobs and GDP as a result. If they follow the lead of other countries it will mean higher taxes, higher dept and a lower standard of living. I believe the country is officially in a recession now. We won't abandon them, they are like kin, you have to put up with bravado and bragging around the dinner table. It's love and hate and loyalty all wrapped up with a ribbon.
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I should think, Pat, that you would realize that
the cause of Canadians high use of carbon based fuel

is a combination of a cold climate and long travel distances.
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Canada consume far more carbon based fuel per capita than the rest of the countries in the hemisphere

Not according to the World Bank
Compare Canada to United States HERE
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don't know what Canada will do as a replacement for the lost oil jobs and GDP as a result.

Canada has already lost thousands of jobs duE to the oil market in the last year... but CANADA ADDS 44,000 JOBS IN OCTOBER...UNIMPLOYMENT RATE IS DOWN
As I said, it will take a few years to clean-up after harper's mess, but we'll manage
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Nov 8 2015, 01:03 AM
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Canada consume far more carbon based fuel per capita than the rest of the countries in the hemisphere

Not according to the World Bank
Compare Canada to United States HERE
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don't know what Canada will do as a replacement for the lost oil jobs and GDP as a result.

Canada has already lost thousands of jobs duE to the oil market in the last year... but CANADA ADDS 44,000 JOBS IN OCTOBER...UNIMPLOYMENT RATE IS DOWN
As I said, it will take a few years to clean-up after harper's mess, but we'll manage
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

The above figures tell a different story as far as emissions. The emissions in the United States are dropping and in Canada rising. My post before this one dealt with the amount of carbon based fuels not the emission levels of those fuels. Apparently whatever Canada is now using is rising the emissions too.
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My post before this one dealt with the amount of carbon based fuels not the emission levels of those fuels.

Pat: I was looking at the total CO2 emission from carbon based source.
I won't (can't) discuss or speak in depth on emission matters.... not my field of competence.

I'l let our resident expert (Mr B) add something if he wants. :smile:
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Actually, if we separate the oilsands emissions from the rest, Canada's emissions have been dropping.

If we cut production in the sands area, suddenly Canada's numbers will look pretty darn good.

Unfortunately, that's not the whole story. Part of the reason emissions are down is because Canadian manufacturing (outside of oilsands tools) is in the tank. This is where Trudeau comes in. If he puts programmes into place to boost manufacturing while updating our Global Warming regulations, our manufacturing can take off while actually lowering emissions. And if he puts some emphasis into "Green" research and production, we can skyrocket up the economic ladder.
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Nov 8 2015, 01:50 AM
Actually, if we separate the oilsands emissions from the rest, Canada's emissions have been dropping.

If we cut production in the sands area, suddenly Canada's numbers will look pretty darn good.

Unfortunately, that's not the whole story. Part of the reason emissions are down is because Canadian manufacturing (outside of oilsands tools) is in the tank. This is where Trudeau comes in. If he puts programmes into place to boost manufacturing while updating our Global Warming regulations, our manufacturing can take off while actually lowering emissions. And if he puts some emphasis into "Green" research and production, we can skyrocket up the economic ladder.
He needs to send a crew to Nevada, Arizona, and Southern California to check out the solar, wind, and geo-thermal projects. Outside Pahrump, Nv is a project going forward on BLM land for a battery storage facility. The battery is a gravity feed generator. Excess solar energy is stored in the form of mechanical means and at night the system produces the stored energy for consumption. Who would have thought....? The one concern with alternative energy is how to bank it for times when the sun or wind is down. Now that is solved.
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Yup, that should be part of the planning.

Pick the best of the best.
Edited by Brewster, Nov 8 2015, 02:07 AM.
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