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What is NOAA hiding?; Won't comply with subppoenas
Topic Started: Nov 6 2015, 10:59 PM (1,657 Views)
Brewster
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I've already said it all.

The researcher's emails are NOT government property. It is part of doing business in a scientific world.. Destroying their privacy will destroy ALL science, not just Climate, and all that will destroy the US Economy. Without original scientific research, the US will drop to a second rate country.

Or is that your plan?
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Neutral
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They are hiding info that would kill the climate scammer's scam.
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Berton
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They are business e-mails so they are the property of the government.

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Has any lib even looked up what NOAA says about why they won't release them?
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Pat
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I think that with something as critical as scientific assessment of a situation such as the climate, it's imperative to have all the laundry out in plain view for sorting. Scientific research turns on a dime and often the will of the grant writers. Many are little more than paid stooges. But if we could see and have others question their findings and research methods and findings, or the intellectual exchanges between them and those who have a different finding from the research, then a more clear picture would become available. Suspicion always rises when people balk at coming clean. This does nothing to help NOAA's or the scientists themselves credibility.
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Jim Miller
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It certainly does make one wonder what they are hiding. Perhaps their findings aren't what this administration wants.
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Nov 8 2015, 12:49 AM
I think that with something as critical as scientific assessment of a situation such as the climate, it's imperative to have all the laundry out in plain view for sorting. Scientific research turns on a dime and often the will of the grant writers. Many are little more than paid stooges. But if we could see and have others question their findings and research methods and findings, or the intellectual exchanges between them and those who have a different finding from the research, then a more clear picture would become available. Suspicion always rises when people balk at coming clean. This does nothing to help NOAA's or the scientists themselves credibility.
And other than the scientists themselves, who is qualified to judge the quality of the research?

Everyone in every country in the world that has the expertise also has access to the information, and the debates that are going on. And there is every flavor of political, economic and governmental agency looking at it. If there is anything questionable it is being questioned.

Releasing half-baked theories and unfinished analyses will do absolutely nothing but confuse the issues, and give Deniers more fodder to make baseless accusations.

There is no "coming clean" beyond what already exists. ALL of the actual data and ALL of the accepted protocols and algorithms are freely available online.

The rest is rubbish until accepted by a majority of their peers. At that point, it will become available instantly.

BTW: This reasoning applies to all branches of science, not just Climate. The fact that nobody's asking for the same thing in Physics and Chemistry proves it's all just a Benghazi-style political witch hunt.
Edited by Brewster, Nov 8 2015, 01:29 AM.
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Brewster
Nov 8 2015, 01:23 AM
Pat
Nov 8 2015, 12:49 AM
I think that with something as critical as scientific assessment of a situation such as the climate, it's imperative to have all the laundry out in plain view for sorting. Scientific research turns on a dime and often the will of the grant writers. Many are little more than paid stooges. But if we could see and have others question their findings and research methods and findings, or the intellectual exchanges between them and those who have a different finding from the research, then a more clear picture would become available. Suspicion always rises when people balk at coming clean. This does nothing to help NOAA's or the scientists themselves credibility.
And other than the scientists themselves, who is qualified to judge the quality of the research?

Everyone in every country in the world that has the expertise also has access to the information, and the debates that are going on. And there is every flavor of political, economic and governmental agency looking at it. If there is anything questionable it is being questioned.

Releasing half-baked theories and unfinished analyses will do absolutely nothing but confuse the issues, and give Deniers more fodder to make baseless accusations.

There is no "coming clean" beyond what already exists. ALL of the actual data and ALL of the accepted protocols and algorithms are freely available online.

The rest is rubbish until accepted by a majority of their peers. At that point, it will become available instantly.

BTW: This reasoning applies to all branches of science, not just Climate. The fact that nobody's asking for the same thing in Physics and Chemistry proves it's all just a Benghazi-style political witch hunt.
Is this the answer you would give a juror at a trial? That since they are not ballistic experts or doctors they cannot determine from the facts presented and evidence the truth?
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No, when you run a trial, you bring in experts to testify on complex subjects.

Your politicians refuse to bring in the experts because they are the ones that they want to put on trial.

It's not an investigation, it's Intimidation, pure and simple. A Right Wing political Witch Hunt.

Benghazi Forever!
Edited by Brewster, Nov 8 2015, 02:02 AM.
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Why can't the people of this country have access to what is their property?

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