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| What is NOAA hiding?; Won't comply with subppoenas | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 6 2015, 10:59 PM (1,643 Views) | |
| Pat | Nov 6 2015, 10:59 PM Post #1 |
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Their credibility takes a hit as well it should. I find it suspicious that a group of scientists and the parent organization feel the need to hide the deliberations that lead to theIr hypothesis. Why would anybody trust studies done in secrecy? Transparency would and should be expected in such matters where world economies and the planet's health are being debated and potential restrictions discussed. As scientists warn of ‘chilling effect’ on research, congressman doubles down on NOAA to release deliberations on climate study By Lisa Rein November 6 at 6:00 AM The U.S. Capitol Building stands past the natural gas and coal fueled Capitol Power Plant, the only coal-burning plan in the nation’s capitol (Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg) A nasty fight between a senior House Republican and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration over a recent climate change study is getting nastier. The country’s chief society of meteorologists weighed in this week with a letter to Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Tex.), warning the prominent congressional skeptic on climate change that his demands for internal communications and documents from NOAA “can be viewed as a form of intimidation” that could thwart federally funded research. And Smith, chairman of the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology, stepped up his pressure on agency Administrator Kathryn Sullivan to divulge its scientists’ internal deliberations, demanding in a letter that she turn over the documents requested in a House subpoena by Friday. “Your failure to comply with a duly issued subpoena may expose you to civil and/or criminal enforcement mechanisms,” the congressman wrote. [Congressional skeptic on global warming demands records from U.S. climate scientists] What has exploded into a very public dispute started in October, when Smith issued subpoenas demanding e-mails, correspondence and other records of internal deliberations from NOAA scientists who participated in a study refuting claims that global warming had “paused” or slowed over the last decade. The study, released in the peer-reviewed journal Science in June, undercut a popular argument used by critics who reject the scientific consensus that man-made pollution is behind global warming. The subpoenas ordered NOAA to turn over scientific data as well as internal “communications between or among employees” involved in the study. The demand was immediately denounced by the science committee’s top Democrat, Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (Tex.) as an effort to discredit the study and its authors. [NOAA says there’s no such thing as the global warming ‘pause.’ Now what?] NOAA officials told the committee the study’s findings were already publicly available and met with the panel’s staff to brief them on the results. But they did not comply with the subpoenas, telling Smith that the internal discussions of their scientists are confidential. The study, led by Thomas Karl, director of NOAA’s National Centers for Environmental Information, was considered by many experts as a game-changer in the climate debate. Smith, a lawyer, has rejected mainstream scientific views about climate change and accused the Obama administration of undermining the U.S. economy with policies that seek to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. And he is not backing down now. Excerpt of letter from House Science Committee Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Tex.) to NOAA Administrator Kathryn Sullivan In Wednesday’s letter, he expressed “serious concerns” about the role that NOAA officials, including the agency’s political appointees, may have had “in the decision to adjust the temperature data and widely publicize conclusions based on those adjustments.” [Federal scientists say there never was any global warming slowdown] NOAA communications director Ciaran Clayton said Thursday that the agency is “in receipt of the congressman’s letter, and we’re reviewing it.” Meanwhile, the American Meteorological Society told Smith Wednesday that his subpoena of NOAA correspondence sets a dangerous precedent for interference with independent scientific research. “Singling out specific research studies, and implicitly questioning the integrity of the researchers conducting those studies, can be viewed as a form of intimidation that could deter scientists from freely carrying out research on important national challenges,” wrote Keith L. Seitter, executive director of the Boston-based scientific group. He said the congressman’s demand for records “imposes a chilling effect on future communication among scientists, and potentially disrupts NOAA’s critical efforts to protect life and property.” Andrew Rosenberg, a fisheries scientist at NOAA during the Clinton administration who is now with the Washington-based Union of Concerned Scientists, summed up the dispute this way: “This is mostly about climate change. But it is also about a congressman attacking answers he doesn’t like. I sincerely hope that federal scientists don’t have to lawyer up because they’re doing their jobs.” |
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| Neutral | Nov 6 2015, 11:07 PM Post #2 |
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“Your failure to comply with a duly issued subpoena may expose you to civil and/or criminal enforcement mechanisms,” the congressman wrote. Blah blah blah. Remember the IRS, nothing will be done and NOAA knows it. |
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| Stoned | Nov 6 2015, 11:20 PM Post #3 |
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The conservatives have become sick, sick puppies. |
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| Neutral | Nov 6 2015, 11:23 PM Post #4 |
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Why would you say that? Tell us why NOAA won't release their records? |
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| Berton | Nov 6 2015, 11:45 PM Post #5 |
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Pat that has been a problem with the global warming scam from the very beginning. None of them want their data looked at, much less how they got to the results they ended up with. |
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| Brewster | Nov 7 2015, 12:47 AM Post #6 |
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Why the H*ll should NOAA release their papers? It's just another witch hunt in the making. The papers will be full of frank and not necessarily polite back and forth discussion, as the Climate Scientists come to conclusions, argue back and forth, and finally find out the another small piece of the Truth. That is the way all science works. If this were to be forced upon any scientist, it would basically destroy all scientific research - NO SCIENTIST WOULD DARE PUT HIS LESS-THAN-PERFECT IDEAS DOWN ON PAPER, FOR FEAR SOME POLITICIAN WILL USE THEM TO DESTROY HIS REPUTATION. SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH WOULD GRIND TO A HALT. This is just another version of Climategate, where the Deniers deliberately cherry picked and misinterpreted what scientists were saying to each other, in emails that were never created for pubic consumption. And after nearly a year of accusations, all the scientists were exonerated of all charges and/or innuendos. It's time politicians grew up and let scientists do their work. Edited by Brewster, Nov 7 2015, 12:50 AM.
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| Pat | Nov 7 2015, 12:58 AM Post #7 |
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Refusing destroys their reputation and that of the entire study. |
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| Jim Miller | Nov 7 2015, 01:03 AM Post #8 |
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They won't release their findings as long as they feel the need to hide the results. |
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| Brewster | Nov 7 2015, 01:08 AM Post #9 |
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So does releasing half baked ideas and unchecked data out to an uneducated public. Take a look at what happened a few days ago with a research paper showing some parts of Antarctica are gaining ice. It was actually a fairly good paper, with real research and real facts. But it wasn't the whole story, and the research scientists had not taken the time to link it to previous works. Suddenly deniers all over the world thought they'd found a major hole in Climate Science, and articles are still flying around the Denialsphere and RWEC about this "major flaw". Can you imagine how much worse it would be if much less finished papers were forced to be released? Scientific Research would be absolutely destroyed - You want to knock the US completely out of First World technology? This is your Big Chance! Edited by Brewster, Nov 7 2015, 01:15 AM.
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| Pat | Nov 7 2015, 01:12 AM Post #10 |
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And take a look at all the snow falling in the mountains of the western US. Anybody casn point to some focused point that supports their own bias. |
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