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| ICE released 68,000 convicted criminals last year; 872,000 illegals ordered deported are still here | |
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| Berton | Apr 1 2014, 07:06 AM Post #11 |
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I prefer facts which explain the statistics. But I understand your appeal to authority about the statistics. Too bad you refuse to have a rational and honest discussion. AGAIN |
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| colo_crawdad | Apr 1 2014, 07:27 AM Post #12 |
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Are you looking for someone to congratulate you for your originality in posting or a congratulations for twisting the posts of others, Berton? I'll give you the second. Now, what nasty snide remark can you make next? I am all agog with anticipation. |
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| colo_crawdad | Apr 1 2014, 07:38 AM Post #13 |
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All should note that once gain, Berton has destroyed one of Pat's threads with his nssty snide comments.. Nothing has changed. NOTHING! |
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| Berton | Apr 1 2014, 09:36 AM Post #14 |
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Are you looking for someone to congratulate you for repeating yourself? Are you ready to have a serious honest discussion about the facts or not? |
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| Banandangees | Apr 1 2014, 06:37 PM Post #15 |
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I was referring to Figure 1. If you look at the graph (Figure 1), it shows the reported stats given from a study by the DHS of deportations over the last 30 years. If you want to question the accuracy of the DHS stats and the ICE to soothe your opinion that's your prerogative. |
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| Berton | Apr 1 2014, 07:52 PM Post #16 |
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The recent campaign by advocacy groups to portray the president as a tough immigration enforcer at the helm of a system that is producing "record" deportations bears no resemblance to the reality of immigration enforcement today. Interior immigration enforcement has declined significantly and ICE is ignoring hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens, including tens of thousands with criminal convictions, who are encountered by ICE officers and agents. Top DHS officials have indicated that they are looking for ways to further relax interior enforcement. Specifically, the administration is considering a new policy to forbid ICE officers from removing illegal aliens who have been previously deported, who are fugitives, or who have skipped immigration hearings. One faux justification for excusing these lawbreakers will be that the agency needs to better focus its limited resources on convicted criminals. The argument is misleading on many levels, including the fact that a large share of these repeat immigration violators were originally removed because of criminal convictions. Lawmakers should request that ICE produce the records detailing the criminal history of repeat immigration violators in order to shed light on this issue. Regardless of criminality, common sense dictates that those who repeatedly and habitually violate our immigration laws inherently pose a risk to public safety and to the integrity of our immigration system: What force does an order of removal have if the administration deems that those ordered removed are free to remain in the United States if they so choose? It makes a mockery of our legal system. Rather than scaling back interior enforcement, the appropriate response for ICE to address the enormous size of its caseload, including the large number of criminal aliens who should be removed, is to become more efficient, not less productive. ICE should expand use of the accelerated forms of removal, such as expedited removal, stipulated removal, and judicial orders of removal.11 Rather than relying primarily on enforcement, ICE and other DHS agencies should seek to improve compliance with visa program rules and laws against illegal hiring to reduce incentives for illegal settlement. ICE should promote partnerships, such as 287(g), that allow local governments to assist in enforcement using local resources — this is a fiscal no-brainer for ICE. The federal government should challenge sanctuary jurisdictions that obstruct immigration enforcement and make ICE's job harder. For all its complaints about limited resources, the administration has actually expended considerable resources in the other direction: targeting states that try to support federal law enforcement, while increasing the amount of red tape for its own officers. LINK ICE ignores illegals with a DUI until they get three of them. I wonder what happens in Canada or Mexico when a person from another country gets a DUI? |
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| Pat | Apr 2 2014, 01:03 AM Post #17 |
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I think the statistics speak for themselves, this is yet another area that has seriously erroded under this president. His hope and change message is now completely understood, he hoped that in two terms he could destroy as much as possible the society we live in and rebuild it in the eyes of a community organizer. It's going to take the next president a few months to begin fixing what has been broken, probably an entire term to bring all the agencies back around. As far as this subject, forget about immigration reform, we are years and years now away from enforcing our borders. |
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| colo_crawdad | Apr 2 2014, 01:11 AM Post #18 |
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Pat, I, too, think the statistics speak for themselves. I just hear very different messages from those statistics than do you. The statistics say to me that Preident Obama has done more to close the borders than any other President in recent history. On another thread folks are talking about need a Ronald Reagan again. Since he was the first to grant amnesty to illegal immigrants, perhaps another Ronnie would do the same once again. if folks are ready for another Ronald Reagan, it does sound like folks are ready for immigration reform. |
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| colo_crawdad | Apr 2 2014, 01:19 AM Post #19 |
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If the statistics are correct that more and more people are being arrested immediately after crossing the bordeer and returned to the other side, that does mean there must be significantly increase border control. I fail to see how that fat can be used against President Obama or against his administration. Oh,now I recall how it can be used against President Obama and his administration -- by twisting the meaning of the charts which Ban provided. |
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| Banandangees | Apr 2 2014, 01:25 AM Post #20 |
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Well that's settled. The DHS and ICE together conspire against the president, the purposes of which are to be determined at a latter date. Obviously, both organizations are made up of racists..... and will be added to the list of those organizations to be examined by the IRS.
Edited by Banandangees, Apr 2 2014, 01:27 AM.
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