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A hate crime caught on tape
Topic Started: Mar 30 2014, 02:07 AM (516 Views)
colo_crawdad
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Thumper
Apr 1 2014, 12:21 AM
Possibly so Colo, but I never had the occasion to interact with German brown shirt gangs in the thirties. Meanwhile, back to the present.
Just because neither of us actually felt the boot of the brown shirts in the 1030s is no reason to forget history. It is important that often in history the young man/thug/gang/mob mentality has been exploited by the extreme right.
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Colo starts another diverting game . . . and some wonder why there are no posts lately.
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Colo starts another diverting game . . . and some wonder why there are no posts lately.


Another unprovoked personal insult and attack from Neutral.
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Mar 30 2014, 06:06 AM
One of the problems with so called hate crimes is defining what constitutes hate. For instance, people keep saying I hate Obama. Yet I do not hate him. He would probably be a personable person in person. But I do strongly disagree with his policies and for that I have been defined as a hater. Hatred is in the eye of the beholder but not necessarily in the person who is being accused of hate.

Stand alone hate crimes such as defined by Colorado Law, hinge onmotivation much like the difference between first degree murder, second degree murder and manslaulghter. In fact the Zimmerman trial was entirely about motivation. I do not see a relationship between Beton's thoughts about Obama and/or his plilcies and the concept of hate crimes.

BTW.m I am now convinced by rational posting of others, that the incident in the video, while being a gang/mobactivity, it appears that at leas a portion of the intended victims were white. If that gang/mob were black and selectively attacking only whites, then it certainly does fit the definition of many hate crime laws.
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colo_crawdad
Apr 1 2014, 12:32 AM
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Apr 1 2014, 12:21 AM
Possibly so Colo, but I never had the occasion to interact with German brown shirt gangs in the thirties. Meanwhile, back to the present.
Just because neither of us actually felt the boot of the brown shirts in the 1030s is no reason to forget history. It is important that often in history the young man/thug/gang/mob mentality has been exploited by the extreme right.
Colo, lets talk about the subject at hand.
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Apr 1 2014, 12:56 AM
colo_crawdad
Apr 1 2014, 12:32 AM
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Apr 1 2014, 12:21 AM
Possibly so Colo, but I never had the occasion to interact with German brown shirt gangs in the thirties. Meanwhile, back to the present.
Just because neither of us actually felt the boot of the brown shirts in the 1030s is no reason to forget history. It is important that often in history the young man/thug/gang/mob mentality has been exploited by the extreme right.
Colo, lets talk about the subject at hand.
Okay. does the video describe the "subject at hand? If so, I think it is relevant to say ov what that video reminds me. But. in responding to Berton's comments about Hate crime, I think I dealt with the "subject at hand. Or, did you think Berton's comments were an attempt to divert?
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Every conversation can innocently stray from the subject at hand. But I don't think the motivation of this mob was politically driven.
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Nor do I.
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OK.
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Numerous reports have been about black gangs like this attacking whites. My guess as to why it continues is because the whites being attacked are 1. traveling unarmed and unprepared. 2. have bought into the fear that they would be labeled racist if they took action.

A solution would be for this to be even more widely reported as a warning, and to have a breakout of events where the thugs are mowed down. It's obvious that the police don't have a handle on this and neither does the black community.
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