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| The Right Not to Be Implicated; “Everything not forbidden is compulsory,” or will be soon enough under our “liberal” regime. | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 28 2014, 07:41 AM (65 Views) | |
| Berton | Mar 28 2014, 07:41 AM Post #1 |
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The Right Not to Be Implicated “Everything not forbidden is compulsory,” or will be soon enough under our “liberal” regime. Today, Hobby Lobby will make its case before the Supreme Court, maintaining that it should not be coerced by federal mandate to use its employee insurance programs to facilitate the purchase of certain birth-control devices that it regards as being more akin to abortion than to contraception. About the legal and technical questions, I have little to add to what Ed Whelan and other legal scholars writing here — all of them far more knowledgeable than I — already have written, except to note that it strikes my non-specialist’s sensibility as being self-evidently true that the Affordable Care Act fails to meet the relevant criterion in the Religious Freedom Restoration Act: that in those cases in which the federal government can demonstrate a compelling state interest in burdening the free exercise of religion, it must choose the least restrictive method of doing so. The English major in me has trouble getting the words “least restrictive” to jibe with “federal mandate.” One of the finest books ever written about politics is The Once and Future King, in which young Arthur, not yet king, is transformed by Merlin into various kinds of animals in order to learn about different kinds of political arrangements: Hawks live under martial law, geese are freewheeling practitioners of spontaneous order, badgers are scholarly isolationists, and ants live under totalitarianism, with T. H. White famously rendering their one-sentence constitution: “Everything not forbidden is compulsory.” There is a great deal of political and moral real estate between those libertarian geese and totalitarian ants — at least there should be, in a healthy, liberal society. But we do not enjoy, at the political and legal levels, a healthy, liberal society. Rather, we are a society that goes from forbidden to compulsory in record time, and vice versa......... LINK Some would call it Liberal Fascism. |
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| tomdrobin | Mar 28 2014, 01:06 PM Post #2 |
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Here are parts of the article you didn't post.
The author follows a line of reasoning that seems to be extremely popular in right wing media. And, that is attributing motivation to others (in this case liberals) that is entirely based on preconceived biases. Or perhaps it's just made up BS. I tend to think it's mostly the latter. Describe how they are thinking and why, and then vilify them on your own made up BS. It's either stupid or evil, take your pick.
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| Berton | Mar 28 2014, 08:39 PM Post #3 |
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Like your posts about the right protecting the 1% and watching only Fox News? So which is it with you? Are you stupid or evil or both? But to follow the authors line of reason you have to have the full context, not just your cherry picked part: "Consider the case of the legal and social standing of homosexuals. Until just over a decade ago, homosexual intercourse was a crime in many jurisdictions. Then in 2003, the Supreme Court overturned the sodomy laws in Lawrence v. Texas, which was in my view a bad decision with a good outcome. That same year, California considered a civil-union law, which was the source of some controversy. Opponents argued that it was a step toward the much more serious issue of gay marriage, and Democrats rejected that as a red herring: “Nobody is talking about gay marriage,” said John Longville, a Democratic assemblyman, “except the people who are trying to wave it around as a straw-man issue.” Within five years, that straw man was flesh and blood. Along the way the conversation changed from whether states could legalize gay marriage to whether states could prohibit it, and from whether the federal government should recognize same-sex marriage to whether it could refuse to do so. The Democratic governor of Kentucky says that he desires the Supreme Court to “bring finality and certainty to this matter,” which, given his party affiliation, is a way of saying without saying that he wants a national legal mandate for gay marriage. And the matter already has progressed to the point at which we as a nation, having only recently legalized gay marriage, are debating the question of whether bakers and photographers should be locked in cages if they decline, for their own moral or religious reasons, to participate in gay weddings. “Everything not forbidden is compulsory.” It is a perversion of the English language that our so-called liberals are the least liberal faction in our polity. American liberalism is the creed that you are entitled to think as you like and entitled to do as you are commanded. I make a pretty poor puritan, though perhaps someday I’ll make a better one. I object to abortion as violence, including abortion actuated via relatively bloodless chemical means, and believe that it should be prohibited as a matter of humane principle. The use of actual contraceptives, such as condoms, and the question of what combinations of consenting adults do what with whom — by which I mean maintaining joint bank accounts and sharing dental plans, of course — may be of acute interest to the bishops but are not properly matters of prohibition by the federal government, the purpose of which is to protect property, thus enabling Americans to organize their lives as they will, rather than to move citizens about like chessmen on the theory that it does so for their benefit. There is not much that I would have be illegal — but any civilized society requires a great deal of breathing room between forbidden and compulsory. The Left would not have it that way: Homosexual behavior is not to be tolerated, or homosexual unions recognized under law — rather, homosexuality is to constitute a special class of blessedness, and the failure to celebrate it is to be a sin, which in the liberal mind must be identical to a crime. It is not enough for religious conservatives, such as the ones who own Hobby Lobby, to tolerate the legal sale and use of things such as the so-called morning-after pill — rather, they are expected to provide them at their own expense. Abortions are not to be legal, but legal and funded by the general community, with those funds extracted at gunpoint if necessary."....... Edited by Berton, Mar 28 2014, 08:56 PM.
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| colo_crawdad | Mar 28 2014, 09:29 PM Post #4 |
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Cherry picking? Berton? Surely not. |
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| Berton | Mar 28 2014, 10:00 PM Post #5 |
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Yes, tomdrobin did in fact cherry pick the information. He does that a lot. I think he takes after you. Any comment about the content or are you going to try to make this thread about me as usual? |
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| colo_crawdad | Mar 28 2014, 10:38 PM Post #6 |
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I think I will leave this thread to be about your posting (cherry picking) rather than about you. Do you think you can change the topic to be about me? |
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| Berton | Mar 29 2014, 10:52 AM Post #7 |
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"It is a perversion of the English language that our so-called liberals are the least liberal faction in our polity. American liberalism is the creed that you are entitled to think as you like and entitled to do as you are commanded." Just like the liberals on this board think and act. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 1 2014, 07:37 AM Post #8 |
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We really need a new graphic. Berton does this continually.
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| colo_crawdad | Apr 1 2014, 07:41 AM Post #9 |
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I do like that graphic. |
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| Berton | Apr 1 2014, 09:35 AM Post #10 |
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Two posts, both by liberals, neither one about the specific subject. Typical of both of them. Neither one of them want to have a serious honest discussion so they ruin the topic for everyone else. |
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