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Trading Rights for Protections; Corporations protect fortunes
Topic Started: Mar 26 2014, 09:10 AM (400 Views)
Corky52
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Fundamental question is what rights people trade when they incorporate a business and protect themselves under the cloak of being corporate. Can a "legal entity" have religious views?


My personal view is that the owner of a business that accepts total responsibility for that business is the only one that has constitutional protection, once you decide to protect yourself from the business then the business becomes subject to the rules of law of the state.

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Corporations may have an independent legal existence but they are formed, staffed by, and act through individuals.

A corporation’s expression is the expression of the people who work for it and lead it. The law recognizes this reality when it holds corporations liable for the acts of the individuals who work for it, so long as those individuals act within the scope of their employment.

When you allow an organization to speak, people speak. When you censor an organization, you censor people.

Edited by Berton, Mar 26 2014, 11:24 AM.
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Corporations are financial instruments meant to protect the owners and the owner trade their individual rights for that protection under the law, the fiction of person hood is just that, fiction. Show me a corporation that has religious faith. If you wish to express your religious faith via your business, then keep your business personnel and take the personnel responsibility for the actions of the business.

If in taking a religious stand the corporation loses sales then the corporation is failing in it's fiduciary responsibility to it's stockholders to maximize profits.



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One has to wonder at the twisted logic that says a corporation has the right to free speech but not the right to vote. One does wonder where the Constitution sets out rights for various personhoods that vary from others' Constitutional rights.
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When you restrict corporations First Amendment rights, you are restricting a vast amount of the speech and other forms of expression that we take for granted as being free from government mandates and control.

What’s a movie? Corporate expression. A television show? Corporate expression. What about hospital policies regarding end of life care or abortion? Corporate expression.

Again and again, corporations make decisions that express their values. Whether you agree or disagree, the best response to corporate values isn’t to censor that expression or restrict the rights of the people who run that corporation – the very people who’ve invested blood, sweat, and tears to make it grow – but instead to shop at a place you prefer or to speak out against that corporation’s public stand.

You have a wallet. You can vote with that even more easily than you can vote at the ballot box.
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Mar 26 2014, 08:54 PM
When you restrict corporations First Amendment rights, you are restricting a vast amount of the speech and other forms of expression that we take for granted as being free from government mandates and control.

What’s a movie? Corporate expression. A television show? Corporate expression. What about hospital policies regarding end of life care or abortion? Corporate expression.

Again and again, corporations make decisions that express their values. Whether you agree or disagree, the best response to corporate values isn’t to censor that expression or restrict the rights of the people who run that corporation – the very people who’ve invested blood, sweat, and tears to make it grow – but instead to shop at a place you prefer or to speak out against that corporation’s public stand.

You have a wallet. You can vote with that even more easily than you can vote at the ballot box.
If one agrees with you, then one has to conclude that corporations pose a much higher threat to individual freedom than does any government.
Edited by colo_crawdad, Mar 26 2014, 09:36 PM.
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Folks like the "Hobby Lobby" want it both ways. All the benefits of incorporation providing protection for their personal wealth, while interjecting their religious beliefs on their pay and benefit package. If you want to run it like a personal business, then give up the benefits of public incorporation.
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Mar 26 2014, 09:33 PM
Berton
Mar 26 2014, 08:54 PM
When you restrict corporations First Amendment rights, you are restricting a vast amount of the speech and other forms of expression that we take for granted as being free from government mandates and control.

What’s a movie? Corporate expression. A television show? Corporate expression. What about hospital policies regarding end of life care or abortion? Corporate expression.

Again and again, corporations make decisions that express their values. Whether you agree or disagree, the best response to corporate values isn’t to censor that expression or restrict the rights of the people who run that corporation – the very people who’ve invested blood, sweat, and tears to make it grow – but instead to shop at a place you prefer or to speak out against that corporation’s public stand.

You have a wallet. You can vote with that even more easily than you can vote at the ballot box.
If one agrees with you, then one has to conclude that corporations pose a much higher threat to individual freedom than does any government.

One has to wonder at the twisted logic that says a corporation poses a threat to individual freedom than does the government. It is government which can pass laws, not corporations.


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Do corporations have the Constitutional right to bear arms?
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The corporation has been granted some rights that were originally designed for individuals. Yet the corporation shields individual stock holders from criminal prosecution and lawsuits against the person. In my opinion, the corporations now resemble in rights, everything that the lobbyists envisioned they would. Special privileges for those with large holdings and a shield from being held individually responsible for actions they themselves decide the corporation will do.

Justice Kennedy will decide the Hobby Lobby case since politics now govern the high court.
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