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| colo_crawdad | Mar 25 2014, 09:02 PM Post #11 |
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Pat, Having just read the OP and your opening comments, I am interested in how you would choose to treat clinical waste in hospitals. Since it appears in the OP tat aborted and miscarried fetuses are treated the same, what would you propose. It seems to me the only issues here is the treatment of medical waste, not abortion or pregnancy miscarriages. |
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| Neutral | Mar 25 2014, 10:28 PM Post #12 |
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If you favor killing babies, I'm not sure what the problem is with disposing of them. |
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| colo_crawdad | Mar 25 2014, 10:32 PM Post #13 |
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I repeat, the OP is not about Abortion or miscarriage. It is about how to dispose of medical waste.
Edited by colo_crawdad, Mar 25 2014, 10:34 PM.
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| Pat | Mar 25 2014, 10:33 PM Post #14 |
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I think Colo, that all human tissue should be handled with dignity not as garbage to heat the home. By doing so you boost the very value that each human has with one another and would help humanize we the people, in a society that has turned police state and the values of liberty and freedom are being squashed daily. We are not animals and we are not robots. I had the organ donation designation removed from my drivers license over this issue. People around the planet are having organs harvested for commercial gain, and I have no doubt that this has gone on here in America. By removing the incentive I remove the misguided greed of a medical facility that might figure some day that I'm too far gone to waste more time on but my organs are ripe for harvest. I want decisions about treatment and care to be based on dignity not that my body is a source of profit. |
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| Neutral | Mar 25 2014, 10:33 PM Post #15 |
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Why start another of your games, you know exactly what I said Colo. |
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| colo_crawdad | Mar 25 2014, 10:38 PM Post #16 |
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Pat, from whence came your concept of "heating homes" with medical waste? I know that when I had my infected tonsils removed, I was not concerned with whether or not they were handled with some kind of dignity |
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| Pat | Mar 25 2014, 10:40 PM Post #17 |
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There are for profit companies that buy organs from hospitals and many families have never given permission. In this case here, there was a blatant disregard for the law. You stop this by insisting human tissue has value because for no other reason it is human, be it waste or an entire limb or organ. http://www.yourlawyer.com/blog/body-with-missing-organs-released-for-burial-without-informing-family/ Body With Missing Organs Released for Burial Without Family’s Knowledge Filed December 23rd, 2011 tmccoy by: Jay Breakstone, Esq. Jesse Shipley, a young, high school student died in a fatal car accident. Months later, well after the grieving and the burial, Shipley’s fellow students were touring the Medical Examiner’s Office when they came upon Shipley’s preserved brain in a clearly marked jar in the lab. They told Shipley’s young sister, who reported this grisly scene to her parents. That’s when the parents learned that the New York City Medical Examiner had retained parts of Shipley’s internal organs after releasing the body for burial. Shipley’s brain and other organs were retrieved and a second burial conducted. When the Shipley’ sued the City of New York, they discovered that, unbeknownst to them and without notice or permission, their son’s brain had been retained for “tests” and that, due to a need for efficiency, was sitting on the shelf until six brains had been accumulated. Then the City would call in an outside doctor to conduct the tests. The court would hold that the City had violated the Shipleys’ right of sepulcher; that is, the right to bury your loved one promptly and with respect. The Shipleys would have never permitted their son’s burial without his brain and internal organs, as their priest had explained to them that the burial of only part of their son’s body was not a proper burial at all. A jury awarded the parents a total of $1 million dollar in damages. The case is Shipley v. The City of New York, Index #101114/00 (Sup. Ct., Richmond Co. 11/23/11). |
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| colo_crawdad | Mar 25 2014, 10:50 PM Post #18 |
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Pat, I am having some trouble relating the sale of body parts with the OP. While I am absolutely oppsed to the sale of body parts to any other business, I do favor allowing the use of eye parts to save the sight of the living. Most of that is done through various units of Lions International, a totally non=profit organization and such parts are accepted only from willing donors. |
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| Pat | Mar 26 2014, 12:52 AM Post #19 |
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I was trying to show the relation when the parts and tissue itself is held in such little esteem by the medical community. One thing can lead to the other. Therefore my suggestion is that the tissue and parts be required to be handled with dignity and disposed with dignity. And that doesn't mean heating the office or building with it. |
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| colo_crawdad | Mar 26 2014, 01:06 AM Post #20 |
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I am still waiting to see where someone heated their office or building with medical waste. BTW, isn't cremation a dignified way to handle body parts? |
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