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Climate Change; Grim Future
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Topic Started: Mar 24 2014, 10:06 AM (432 Views)
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Sea Dog
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Mar 24 2014, 11:27 PM
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At least you have moved on from the doom and gloom caused by Obama!
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Mar 24 2014, 11:34 PM
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- Pat
- Mar 24 2014, 10:36 PM
If the forecasts prove out Ken, the economic calamity and loss of standard of living will not be caveman like in scope, we won't be living in caves, but we also won't have much money left over for anything else, as the infrastructure needs overwhelm us. Right now as in the past, most people on the planet live close to or upon large bodies of water. A rise in sea level means relocating most of mankind.
Climate is a concern that is the topic but over population is the real issue. Were we a nation of 50,000,000 as we were when our great great grandparents were alive, a climate Armageddon would be a catastrophe, but one that could be dealt with and allow for the onward march of prosperity and innovation. But instead we are headed toward 400,000,000 and as has been pointed out here in the past, much of the reports of tornadoes and damage occurs where nobody lived back then. If a tree falls in the forest can you hear it? No if you don't live close by, yes if you do.
I don't know what is going to become of it all, this weekend we had a square mile mudslide north of here. This happened outside Darrington, a rural logging and farming area. Or it used to be. Now the population has extended way out there and several neighborhoods with untold lives were washed away. The roots from trees used to hold the water from snow runoff or regional rain. It rains a lot up there, over 7 inches this past month. Logging has removed the trees that used to hold the water in roots, we now have mudslides like never before. And then you have the growing population spreading out where it never used to be.
I know the thread is about the negative impact of atmospheric pollution but the cause is a growing population. When the caveman started polluting campfires and fire pits, there were few of them, now we use other fuels for the energy and warmth, but we have 7 billion doing so. Cause and affect. I think nature itself is going to be the mindless force that solves global warming. And it isn't going to be pretty as a critical mass is reached and billions perish. All of that is true and altering climate is just one facet of it, I suspect the planet 100 years from now will be a far less pleasant place and the days of affluence for many of us will be a distant memory. And we are all bringing upon ourselves with our current greed and consumerism, and most of all, as seen with people like Berton, denial of the problem. And Ban is correct, we are all responsible. As for population, nature will eventually fix that, with war famine and disease.
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Mar 25 2014, 01:26 AM
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Telco,
So far nature has done her best with the black death, small pox, and 2 world wars yet we still out breed her. I think it will get really bad before the scales tip and we our own great die off.
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Berton
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Mar 25 2014, 04:23 AM
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- telcoman
- Mar 24 2014, 11:27 PM
- Berton
- Mar 24 2014, 08:38 PM
Is that a peer reviewed paper from the original source? If not then according to telcoman and other alarmists it has no worth and must be disregarded.
It does not claim to be. It is a general statement of conclusion, based on 1000's of peer reveiwed papers. Of course unless you have been asleep for the past 10 years you know that. It is simply collective opinion on the broad subject based on the evidence.
So only opinion which supports climate worming is allowed?
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Berton
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Mar 25 2014, 04:24 AM
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- telcoman
- Mar 24 2014, 11:34 PM
- Pat
- Mar 24 2014, 10:36 PM
If the forecasts prove out Ken, the economic calamity and loss of standard of living will not be caveman like in scope, we won't be living in caves, but we also won't have much money left over for anything else, as the infrastructure needs overwhelm us. Right now as in the past, most people on the planet live close to or upon large bodies of water. A rise in sea level means relocating most of mankind.
Climate is a concern that is the topic but over population is the real issue. Were we a nation of 50,000,000 as we were when our great great grandparents were alive, a climate Armageddon would be a catastrophe, but one that could be dealt with and allow for the onward march of prosperity and innovation. But instead we are headed toward 400,000,000 and as has been pointed out here in the past, much of the reports of tornadoes and damage occurs where nobody lived back then. If a tree falls in the forest can you hear it? No if you don't live close by, yes if you do.
I don't know what is going to become of it all, this weekend we had a square mile mudslide north of here. This happened outside Darrington, a rural logging and farming area. Or it used to be. Now the population has extended way out there and several neighborhoods with untold lives were washed away. The roots from trees used to hold the water from snow runoff or regional rain. It rains a lot up there, over 7 inches this past month. Logging has removed the trees that used to hold the water in roots, we now have mudslides like never before. And then you have the growing population spreading out where it never used to be.
I know the thread is about the negative impact of atmospheric pollution but the cause is a growing population. When the caveman started polluting campfires and fire pits, there were few of them, now we use other fuels for the energy and warmth, but we have 7 billion doing so. Cause and affect. I think nature itself is going to be the mindless force that solves global warming. And it isn't going to be pretty as a critical mass is reached and billions perish.
All of that is true and altering climate is just one facet of it, I suspect the planet 100 years from now will be a far less pleasant place and the days of affluence for many of us will be a distant memory. And we are all bringing upon ourselves with our current greed and consumerism, and most of all, as seen with people like Berton, denial of the problem. And Ban is correct, we are all responsible. As for population, nature will eventually fix that, with war famine and disease.
Why do you keep repeating the LIE that I am a denier?
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Mar 25 2014, 05:54 AM
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- campingken
- Mar 25 2014, 01:26 AM
Telco,
So far nature has done her best with the black death, small pox, and 2 world wars yet we still out breed her. I think it will get really bad before the scales tip and we our own great die off. Well mass extinction events are common and we have dominated this planet for a lot shorter time than most. We may end up being the first species to engineer our own demise. One can only hope we develop the technology to expand elsewhere first. With new evidence that planetary systems are the norm rather than the exception, I have to wonder if nearly all intelligent species have gone down our road, which would explain the lack of signals from them.
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