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Superpower Once Lived Here
Topic Started: Mar 23 2014, 12:47 AM (604 Views)
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LOL, you are a slippery one, you should have gone into politics or televangelism.
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It is interesting that you refuse to accept my answer which is quite direct and honest. But that is where diversion leads you I suppose.

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Mar 23 2014, 07:02 AM
Back to the specific subject:

"It’s been a bit bewildering, even disorienting, to watch Obama get mugged by reality and refuse to press charges. But of course he doesn’t want to press charges. He doesn’t believe in an international system in which the American role is to lead. Former Saudi intelligence chief Turki al-Faisal was asked by the Financial Times recently about Putin and Obama. He explained: “While the wolf is eating the sheep, there is no shepherd to come to the rescue of the pack. This is where we find ourselves today.”

Indeed it is. In the New York Times, Sanger comments, “History suggests that such eras [of retrenchment]—akin to what the United States went through after the two world wars and Vietnam—often look like weakness to the rest of the world.” Retrenchment looks like weakness because it is weakness. And the consequences of such eras of weakness aren’t happy."

Note that even the very left wing NYT points to Obama's incompetence.

The former role we played is no longer affordable. I agree that we have egg on our face after decades of being the savior, but it's just not in the cards anymore. When the Saudi government official tell us there is no shepherd, did you notice that he did not continue on explaining how they would spend a few hundred $billion fulfilling those shoes? The lesson we should have learned these past dozen years is that Europe is good at talking but not good at coughing up at least an equal share of funding these excursions. The mess in Syria, Egypt and the rest of that region is on Europe's back, they allowed the area to erupt after we told them to take the lead. Europe should have been more of a presence in Kiev and the Ukraine as a whole, but the weren't.

The word entrenchment is brought up, Europe has been entrenched since World War II, time for them to step up but they won't and it is them who face Russia historically. Does it bother you that we might by some look weak? it doesn't me, I know if we get rid of half our military we will still be strong, much stronger than we need to be. We just won't be capable of carrying on two plus wars at one time which is what our former role required. I think we should withdraw from the Korean Peninsula, our fleet from the Mediterranean, and the South East Asia and China sea. We should have a strong presence in the Gulf, Pacific, and Atlantic but not venture more than a few hundred miles off the coast unless NATO wants to have joint operations for training.
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Why do you keep jumping from doing nothing to war? You act just like the liberals. They want to only consider one or the other. Nothing in between. If Obama had done what Carter did we wouldn't be in this mess.

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Mar 23 2014, 09:17 AM
Why do you keep jumping from doing nothing to war? You act just like the liberals. They want to only consider one or the other. Nothing in between. If Obama had done what Carter did we wouldn't be in this mess.

What mess are we in? It's not our territory that was annexed? Why do you believe we lost something?
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We lost the end of the Cold War. It is on again. Obama could have stopped it in it's tracks but failed as usual.

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Mar 23 2014, 09:36 AM
We lost the end of the Cold War. It is on again. Obama could have stopped it in it's tracks but failed as usual.

My my, such hatred and stupidity.
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For some it's fine for the commies to gain strength.
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Berton
Mar 23 2014, 09:36 AM
We lost the end of the Cold War. It is on again. Obama could have stopped it in it's tracks but failed as usual.

How could he have stopped it. Lets hear it. Tell us how in your own words.
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Do what Carter did dummy. How many times do I have to repeat it?

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