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I knew Obama was incompetent but I didn't think even he could do it.
Topic Started: Mar 22 2014, 07:03 AM (569 Views)
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If it was a GOP Prez, we would be sticking our noses into their affairs and sending our troops to be slaughtered in a War similar to WWI. Bush the GOP idiot would already have troops engaged.
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Putin would not have invaded Crimea so we would not need troops.
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telcoman
Mar 22 2014, 10:17 PM
Pat
Mar 22 2014, 10:01 PM
Twist or not, the fact remains that 1. Obama is president and 2. our relations with Russia have not been this bad since the cold war. Why try to wiggle around and deny the truth?
Yes but those deterioations are the fault of Putin, not Obama. Anybody could have been President right now and this situation would be no diferent.
I disagree Telco, were Reagan or Bush Jr. president, there is no way that Putin and Russia try this territory grab. They know damn well there would have been a far greater response from America.

This is the problem we now face after running up another $7 trillion in debt in five years. We were forced to back off being the policemen of the world and there will be more events such as this going forward. It's just the way it is, I can accept it, I don't feel responsible for what the rest of the world does or how it reacts to being raped by tyrants such as Putin. But in the same token I'm not going to lie about the cause and affect or try to make up excuses. We have shown weakness and tyrants are responding.
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Mar 22 2014, 10:35 PM
telcoman
Mar 22 2014, 10:17 PM
Pat
Mar 22 2014, 10:01 PM
Twist or not, the fact remains that 1. Obama is president and 2. our relations with Russia have not been this bad since the cold war. Why try to wiggle around and deny the truth?
Yes but those deterioations are the fault of Putin, not Obama. Anybody could have been President right now and this situation would be no diferent.
I disagree Telco, were Reagan or Bush Jr. president, there is no way that Putin and Russia try this territory grab. They know damn well there would have been a far greater response from America.

This is the problem we now face after running up another $7 trillion in debt in five years. We were forced to back off being the policemen of the world and there will be more events such as this going forward. It's just the way it is, I can accept it, I don't feel responsible for what the rest of the world does or how it reacts to being raped by tyrants such as Putin. But in the same token I'm not going to lie about the cause and affect or try to make up excuses. We have shown weakness and tyrants are responding.
Amazing how our Con friends here have this "insight" into how our previous Presidents(one long time deceased) would have reacted to this.
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It's not amazing at all, I'm sorry you don't have the knowledge.
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Even Carter knew what the appropriate response should be. But not Obama.


Pat, back in the day we were spending some 4% of GDP on defense. Now we spend some 1% of GDP. Have you ever ask yourself where the rest of that money has gone? Where we are spending it?

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Speaking of Carter, Obi is the only President recently to NOT ask him for advice.
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Thumper
Mar 22 2014, 10:31 PM
If it was a GOP Prez, we would be sticking our noses into their affairs and sending our troops to be slaughtered in a War similar to WWI. Bush the GOP idiot would already have troops engaged.
I don't think Bush wpuld have invaded either. He reacted the same way as Obama when Russia intervened in Georgia. Bush did understand that a direct military conflict with Russia would be foolish.
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He would have done what Carter did and Russia would have backed off. Obama isn't even smart enough to learn from history.

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Who the hell said anything about Bush invading? LOL Do you even know what has taken place in Ukraine?
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