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| Banandangees | Mar 25 2014, 09:19 PM Post #41 |
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Yes, yes! With Medicare, I'm forced to pay the tax.... I'm not fined if I don't use the benefit. The government also is telling folks how to save their money (SS).... or else. Coercion! To keep the cooperation out of the hands of the average person, the government had employers deduct those forced savings and Medicare tax from your paycheck; just put the feared IRS in charge of enforcement. How did that method of retirement help people who didn't work? So, they expanded it to taking some of your forced old age savings and old age healthcare and distributing it to other causes. Now, the government puts the IRS in position of enforcer for our new health care system. Big Brother is watching at most every turn, seeking to watch at every turn.... and with the NSA, are in position to do just that. Advancing democracy. Rules, laws and authority are needed. But, as with regulations, the government tends to over do, over extend it's authority over citizens freedoms..... like, lets put the ICC in charge of advanced regulations on the news media topics, an attempted control of media free speech. "Creeping coercion," a road to increased authoritarianism. It's has been so gradual that it often goes unnoticed. It grows as the desired needs of people grow... promises ..... troughism ... "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." We really think that they are helping.
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| Pat | Mar 25 2014, 10:42 PM Post #42 |
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Well said.
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| campingken | Mar 26 2014, 01:46 AM Post #43 |
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We just had a major mudslide here in Washington and shockingly the government is here and they are helping. Many cons live in a strange reality if they think that hearing "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" is terrifying.
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| Berton | Mar 26 2014, 01:50 AM Post #44 |
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There are a few things the government can do well. Very few. |
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| campingken | Mar 27 2014, 12:14 AM Post #45 |
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The WA National Guard has started assisting local search and rescue teams. So far no one has complained about receiving their help. Where are all the good Conservatives? Shouldn't they be telling the govt to stop helping them and opening their checkbooks to pay private companies? |
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| colo_crawdad | Mar 27 2014, 12:18 AM Post #46 |
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Ken, I think you are describing the difference between ideological theory and actual practice. Conservatives tend to accept all the help offered be it by individuals or governments. Many of those same conservatives decry the same help when it is provided to others. |
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| Pat | Mar 27 2014, 01:10 AM Post #47 |
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In reality Ken, conservatives support areas like national defense and search and rescue type operations 100%. These are the areas of limited governance that people have found throughout the ages as being the main reason from joining together as communities and society. Never confuse efforts like this with the waste and encroachment that conservative complain about. |
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| colo_crawdad | Mar 27 2014, 01:30 AM Post #48 |
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I recall from growing up in Southeastern Kansas many folks who claimed to be hard core conservative Republicans who owned their small family farms only because of the programs of the FDR and Truman administrtions. Thjer hypocrisy astounded me as I grew up and fully understood their positions. In the 1950s and 1960s those same farmers accepted government funds to terrace their farmlands and/or to drain some fields.. They accepted federal funds to plant multiflora rose fence rows. They readily accepted Federal government price supports. These are just some of the programs those "conservative" farmers acctpted in order to stay in business. |
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| campingken | Mar 27 2014, 02:09 AM Post #49 |
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Pat, I have heard lots o talk about the benefits of smaller govt. and privatization but very few suggestions as to what should actually be cut and how private is better than public. We are now a nation of 330,000,000 people that have to live together. How can they all make their own decisions without encroaching on their neighbors rights. Also when Reagan said that the most fearful words to hear are "I'm from the government and I'm heart to help" I don't recall him saying "except for the military, police, fire, highway dept. fish and game, FAA, etc." |
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| Berton | Mar 27 2014, 02:21 AM Post #50 |
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Exactly. |
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