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| Berton | Mar 22 2014, 01:15 AM Post #41 |
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Wrong. Read the article. |
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| Pat | Mar 22 2014, 03:17 AM Post #42 |
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Your post includes several unrelated issues Tom, so I'll address each separately. 1. I oppose any tax scheme that discriminates based on wealth. The lawful wealthiest didn't capture, steal, screw others out of, or any other disparaging manner wealth. They earned it legally and by way of taking risk and applying learned skills. 2. I advocate on behalf tax, trade, and income reform. I propose having a living wage. 3. Protecting wealth makes perfect sense. Why would or should anybody willingly give up assets they hold as private and personal property? 4. Why should a person expect another to give their assets up to a common cause that rewards the person for being non productive and having not taken advantage of the opportunities this country affords? 5. Why do you and others promote policies that guarantee outcome in life? |
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| Pat | Mar 26 2014, 01:14 AM Post #43 |
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I found this article this morning and thought I would pass on the link. What it shows is the cause and affect relationship between what voters were promised and what they have received. As noted in the first part of the article, the democrats are lined up to take a real blood bath in the mid terms and millions are simply going to ignore the individual mandate. There are links to some studies and when you add it all up, it shows the true cost of deceit and mis-management of public affairs. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/24/Gallup-Polling-Warns-of-Democrat-Wipeout-in-2014 |
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| Berton | Mar 26 2014, 10:56 AM Post #44 |
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I think you could add in foreign affairs into the list of mis-management. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 26 2014, 09:13 PM Post #45 |
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lol breitbart, hilarious |
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| tomdrobin | Mar 26 2014, 09:47 PM Post #46 |
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Do you actually believe we shouldn't have a progressive income tax? It discriminates based on wealth, although some would call it based on ability to pay. If a company closes their US factory and manufacturers in China their investors can make more money. In it's simplest form that is how the wealth transfer happens. Investors win, the country that gets the factory gets a win, and the american worker looses. It's an unsustainable system. Cheap consumer goods don't mean squat if you don't have a job, or your working at minimum wage. Also, the big money that is spent influencing the political system in the country via "lobbying" and dumping money into getting candidates elected who will toe the line on corporate wish lists is no more than slight of hand bribery and corruption. Protecting some wealth of course has some value, but it's the huge disparity in wealth that is the problem. I don't advocate giving up assets in the form of taxes to support slackers. I do support using those assets for the promotion of scientific research, infrastructure, education and health care. Things that make the country better for everyone. Who is going to pay that living wage? Isn't that a form of income redistribution? Every time we have tried wage and price controls in the past I don't believe it has worked very well. I don't promote policies that guarantee outcomes in life. That would be next to impossible. I do support policies that will make the country a better place to live for everyone, providing incentive to the innovaters, while limiting huge disparities that are like the last round of a monopoly game. That doesn't even benefit the wealthy long term. |
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| Berton | Mar 26 2014, 10:25 PM Post #47 |
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High pay does not mean squat when there are no jobs because of it. |
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| Pat | Mar 26 2014, 11:53 PM Post #48 |
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Yes Tom, I oppose graduated tax schemes that discriminate. My ideal is a tax system with no deductions and one flat percentage rate paid on any and all income. No tax credits no kickbacks. It you earn a dollar in any fashion, then whatever the tax rate is, that is collected at the time of earning. As far as cheap goods from China, a tariff should be applied on any goods equal to the disparity gained by the exporting country due to working conditions that would be illegal in America. Remove any and all unfair competitive edge that was derived by trading partners attempting to game the system. The lobbying issue is a matter of free speech, however we could amend voting laws that shorten campaign times to a matter of months and are fully paid for by the taxpayer. Each candidate who qualifies receives a lump sum that is paid monthly. There are ways to deal equatable with your concerns Tom, I doubt you would ever get yur side of the table to agree with them as they too game the system. |
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| wanderingjays | Mar 28 2014, 03:19 AM Post #49 |
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Everybody games the system Pat , including you and me. That's why I pay a tax accountant . |
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| tomdrobin | Mar 28 2014, 04:23 AM Post #50 |
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Pat The graduated tax is the only way you are going to get the money needed. A flat tax system pulls too much out of the spenders who make up the bulk of consumer spending. Tariffs just invite reciprocation from other countries (ie; trade war). Best way IMO is tax breaks for those who manufacture in the USA, and tightening the screws on those who use fake offshore offices to hide money from US taxes. The rule should be if you want to make your money selling here, than you need to support the country. Money corrupts the political system and gives deep pockets more influence on legislation. It's not free speech when the more money you have the easier it is to be heard. |
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